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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
November 19 1
December 4 1
December 5
December 25 1
December 27 1
January 19 1
January 21 1
January 23 1
January 24 1
January 25 1
January 26 1
January 27 2
January 29 3
January 31 1
February 1 1
February 5 1
February 6 2 1
February 9 2
February 10 1
February 11 1
February 12 1
February 14 2
February 15 1
February 18 1
February 19 2
February 20 3 2
February 21 2
February 22 3 2
February 23 5 2
February 24 6 3
February 25 3 2
February 26 5 3
February 27 6 2
February 28 3 3
March 1 1
March 2 8 6
March 3 6 2
March 4 2 1
March 5 11 10
March 6 3
March 7 8 3
March 8 9 6
March 9 13 6
March 10 6 3
March 11 16 6
March 12 9 3
March 13 11 6
March 14 10 1
March 15 5 2
March 16 6 5
March 17 9 2
March 18 8 2
March 19 4
March 20 3
March 21
Total 215 84
Last updated 08:31, 21 March 2019 UTC
Current time is 09:39, 21 March 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
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To nominate an article[]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[]

Instructions for other editors[]

How to promote an accepted hook[]

  • See Encyclopedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on November 19[]

Cynthia García Coll

  • ... that Cynthia García Coll has shown immigrant children were more likely to graduate if they lived in states that granted TANF benefits to low-income immigrant families?

Source: [1]: "Using data from the 2002 Educational Longitudinal Study, a study of more than 16,000 U.S. school students, one of us, Alexandra Filindra, worked with Cynthia Garcia Coll and David Blanding to explore how these state-level welfare policies affected the children of immigrants. In states that granted TANF to low-income immigrants, graduation rates for children who had at least one foreign-born parent were 5.3 percentage points higher than those in states that excluded them."

Created by (talk). Nominated by 28bytes (talk) at 22:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC).

  •  Working GMGtalk 13:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I started on this and then got super busy. It's Thanksgiving this weekend in the US. But if I can't get it wrapped up this weekend, I will by Monday at the latest. GMGtalk 22:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @GreenMeansGo: No worries! I appreciate the work you've done on it already. Enjoy your Thanksgiving! Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Incidentally, I've shot an email to the subject to see if she can publicly publish fairly mundane personal details in a way that we can cite on Encyclopedia. Probably 80% chance she doesn't respond, but we'll see. GMGtalk 00:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Just jotting down my thoughts before the family gets awake and moving this morning. (Apologies for probably being more anal retentive than your average QPQ.) It looks like the link to the original study in the WaPo piece is broken. But as far as I can tell, this is the only paper these three authors have published together. I don't see where the 5.3 statistic is in the original piece (or a rounded "5.2..."). So that's a little odd.
My intuition is that "TANF" is probably overly specific for the hook. It's very Ameri-centric (and an acronym that most Americans themselves probably don't recognize). Besides, the study also seems to include fairly prominent attention to the effect of Medicaid access, and the implicit suggestion seems to be that these findings should be generalizable to other similar programs. I'm fond of the succinct wording of this passage: "The children of immigrants are more likely to succeed educationally when they live in states that include immigrants into their welfare net."
So maybe something like "...that research by Cynthia García Coll and colleagues have shown that immigrant children have more educational success when their families have access to the social safety net?"
That's riding the line of close paraphrasing a little bit maybe, but hopefully sticks close enough to bare information presentation that wouldn't be a problem. (There's only so many ways you can say that exact information accurately.) GMGtalk 14:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Your suggestion looks great to me. Unfortunately, I'm very new to all of this & don't know how to go in and change the hook. If you are able to change it, that would be great. Let me know if not. Thanks! (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey, no worries . Thanks for helping us build a better encyclopedia! I'll wrap this up over the next couple of days and just make sure we're ready for the main page. GMGtalk 17:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll just go ahead and give it the tick Symbol confirmed.svg for the alt hook since nobody has raised any objections. New enough, long enough, hook supported by news and journal source, copyvio is all titles she's held and titles of works. If there's any last minute polishing to be done on the article I'll knock it out while it's in the queue. GMGtalk 20:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks GreenMeansGo! I really appreciate all the work you've done improving the article. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this but I feel like the hooks aren't that hooky. Any other suggestions, and 28bytes? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:57, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Repinging and 28bytes, since the pings won't go through without a signature. GMGtalk 13:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Vincent60030. I'm open to different wording or a different interesting fact to highlight. What do you suggest? 28bytes (talk) 14:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @28bytes: Can't really suggest a hook but how about adding some comparison with american citizens and like from being backlogged to surpassing them or some sort? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 15:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Just to be clear Vincent60030, are you referring to both the original hooks and the suggested tweak? GMGtalk 18:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Sup, GreenMeansGo. Well, since it's the second most widely-spoken language globally, so of undoubted general interest, and with the addition of poking the current administration in the eye, how bout
  • Which source are we taking that from? (It's been several weeks since I read through the sources.) GMGtalk 14:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The problem is that the source is nowhere near that definitive about surpassing; the "often" has to do with the first-generation immigrant kids being behind the Americans at the start, but catch up or even surpass them before elementary school is over. The article currently makes a stronger claim than the source, as does the hook. This is a college newspaper, so there should be an element of caution having to do with the source. Is the report the story is based on available to check? BlueMoonset (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yeah, this is round about where I probably screwed up. I tried to make my suggested hook above be as accurate as possible, but it's difficult to be exceedingly accurate with social science related hooks and also be catchy and intuitive. GMGtalk 14:49, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • While I'm not sure if readers could find it hooky or not, another suggestion here could be about her writing an op-ed about the hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. If that won't work out, ALT1 does seem like a good option considering there's attribution and qualifying statements there, but of course, that would be dependent on if other sources agree on it (which right now appears not to be the case). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT1 due to the issues I noted above; the sole source it depends on does not support it. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • To be clear, my suggested ALT above was "...that research by Cynthia García Coll and colleagues have shown that immigrant children have more educational success when their families have access to the social safety net?" GMGtalk 17:24, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
There's absolutely no point whatsoever in pinging people to half-written articles: if it contains material not covered by the source, then it needs to be removed from the article, , not just struck through here. WP:V applies regardless of how desperate DYK is. 2A02:C7F:BE3E:4200:F9F3:3AD8:DCAF:4519 () 19:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
2A02:C7F:BE3E:4200:F9F3:3AD8:DCAF:4519, I certainly had (and have) no intention of allowing this to be approved without the article being fixed, but also don't have the time (as you clearly do not) to research further and find the best and most accurate wording for what the source (and hopefully others) say about Coll's actual conclusions. Please remember WP:AGF. Reposting GreenMeansGo's alt hook below so it's not lost in the middle of a paragraph; perhaps they'll be willing to fix the article so it, at the least, accurately reflects the source in question. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

This ALT hook looks good to me but of course I can't approve it. All of the DYK criteria are met, though; can someone please check this and either promote it or let me know what else needs to be done to get it cleared for takeoff? 28bytes (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

BlueMoonset, Narutolovehinata5: You all have any issues with the alt? GMGtalk 15:43, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
  • 28bytes, GreenMeansGo, I have no issues with the ALT. As noted in my post above from February 5, First-generation immigrant children often surpass American-born children in school despite being behind them when they start school. in the article is a stronger claim than the one in the source (a college newspaper), and needs to be fixed. Please let us know when this has been dealt with. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It appears likely to be from this source, but I don't have jack for scholarly access. GMGtalk 17:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm sure QuakerSquirrel can help sort out any inconsistencies. I'll send an email. 28bytes (talk) 00:38, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: I spoke with QuakerSquirrel, who seems very discouraged about this whole process and seems unlikely to return to edit. If User:GreenMeansGo or perhaps someone from WiR has the time and inclination to try to wrap up the remaining issue(s) I'd certainly be appreciative but I understand if they're otherwise occupied. 28bytes (talk) 05:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • That bit has now been removed and can be readded when we get someone who has access to the source. I believe that was the only outstanding issue? I'm sad to hear that this has been so thoroughly discouraging when QS did do a genuinely good job on writing this article. GMGtalk 11:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • GreenMeansGo, the phrase is still there in the edit you link to. I may have put a "failed verification" template on it, but articles can always be improved (including their sourcing and their reading of the sources), and there's a certain level that must be attained for DYK and similar processes. While that template remains, the nomination cannot be promoted. I'm also saddened that QS has been discouraged, but at the same time, verifiability is a prime driver of Encyclopedia, and without a fix it can't. 28bytes, you're the nominator—can't you read the cited source yourself and revise that sentence to properly reflect what the source says? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • My bad BlueMoonset. I though you had removed it. I dunno what I was distracted with at the time. I've now moved it to talk pending verification. GMGtalk 22:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment-I can access the book, Looking now.WBGconverse 12:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    @GreenMeansGo::-You claim that the alternate hook is from this source. Now, Cynthia Garcia Coll has not authored a single chapter of the book. She was a co-editor of the book. So, how does any assertion from any chapter of the book, get attributed to her research? WBGconverse 12:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    Umm... no I think that's got it backward. That was the source for the bit about whether immigrant children exceed native born children I believe. The bit specifically about the effects of the social safety net on educational attainment is cited to this study in the Harvard Educational Review. Unless I'm confusing something? GMGtalk 12:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    Sorry, I messed it up:-( WBGconverse 17:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
  • There appears to be 3 proposed hooks:-
    ... that Cynthia García Coll has shown immigrant children were more likely to graduate if they lived in states that granted TANF benefits to low-income immigrant families?
    ... that research by Cynthia García Coll and colleagues have shown that immigrant children have more educational success when their families have access to the social safety net?
    Both of the above hooks are based on a common theme and sourced from this study. But, IMO, there's nothing remotely hooky about this for it's pretty common sense that providing more welfare opportunities will result in welfare. If it was the reverse; it would have been quite stunning (and hooky).
    ... that according to Cynthia García Coll, first-generation immigrant children often surpass American-born children in school?
    Based on the sourcing over Brown Herald; the hook is solid and hooky enough.
    But, at the same time, attributing a research-fact to the co-editor of a book, without giving any credence to the chapter-author, seems to be immoral.
    I am also wary of sourcing claims from individual scholars in the area; to prevent propagation of fringe data. Are we certain that any other research conducted around the same locus has not led to some contrasting conclusion? WBGconverse 17:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    My understanding was that we were going with the second of these hooks. This may not be true everywhere, but in conservative circles in the West, it's not at all taken as a given that welfare will be beneficial, and rather popular to think that it will encourage generational cycles of laziness and government dependence. Government assistance to immigrant families is particularly controversial.
    Am I sure no one has ever reached a contrasting conclusion? No, I'm not an expert in the field, so I can't say anything approaching "being sure". She seems to be among the preeminent scholars in her area, and when I did a modest review of the sources available, none of them that I saw felt the need to include serious objection by adversaries among her peers. GMGtalk 18:14, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    If that's indeed the case (and I'm ignorant by a mile or so about understandings in Western conservative circles), as to the second hook; I guess the it is pretty good:-)
    As to contradictions (third hook); I did a search of studies around these areas and did not locate any opposition. Her findings have been cited by other respected scholars. So, all's good on that aspect, too. WBGconverse 05:44, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4[]

Wells Gray Park Cave discovery

  • ... that the largest striped karst cave ever found has been nicknamed Sarlacc's Pit? Source: "The cave is the largest known of its type, a variety of "striped karst," which is marble interspersed with other types of ancient ocean rock, she said." and "The entrance to the cave, nicknamed 'Sarlacc's Pit' by the helicopter crew who discovered it, is seen in an undated handout photo." (both sentences from CBC article)
    • ALT1:... that no one will know until 2020 whether the newly discovered Sarlacc's Pit cave is actually the largest cave in Canada? Source: "The exact depth and size of the cave has not been determined... future exploration of the cave is being considered in consultation with BC Parks, and that a team is likely to be fielded in 2020. (from Canadian Geographic article) and "A newly discovered cave in a remote valley in British Columbia might be the country's largest." (from CBC article)

Created by (talk). Nominated at 17:19, 4 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg - Thanks for creating this nomination and your work on the article! Looking at it for DYK, there a number of things that have to be done in order for it to be ready to run on the main page. First, there are a few sections that are without any/adequate citations. Also, there are a few tags expressing concerns over the article's tone, general phrasing, among other things that need to be resolved. Please let us know if you have any questions or would like us to take a look at any changes. Thanks again, Mifter Public (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Mifter Public. Thank you for the note. I was surprised to see your comment about unreferenced sections since I had put a reference on each sentence. But then even more surprised to see the article! People have added a TON of stuff to it since I nominated it. I am overwhelmed and not sure what to do or where to start. Some questions for you:
  • The article name was changed, does that make it ineligible for DYK now?
  • Do all the additions now make it ineligible, or is there anything that can be done? I do not want to erase anyone else's work, obviously, and I think it's cool so much has been added. But I have no idea where the other people got their information from. What would you suggest?
  • I think I could fix the tone tag through copyediting. But how would I fix the tag about a contributor with a conflict of interest? Whoever that contributor is, it is not me, and I suppose that tag has to stay there as long as they have contributed content to the article.
  • Thanks very much for your advice. (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
    Here's what you need to do; comprehensively and heartlessly remove anything that can't be cited or smacks of POV. It's great that the original investigators are taking an interest, we welcome them here, but if the information has not yet been published in a reliable source then it doesn't belong on Encyclopedia (see discussion on article talk page). You can remove the maintenance templates yourself when the issues have been fixed. The article will not get past a DYK review while they are still in place, or the issues have not been fixed. This is not a full review, there is little point doing that while the article has major problems.
    On the name change issue, that may need to be undone, although it probably doesn't affect DYK. Encyclopedia article names should be the common name found in sources, regardless of any "official" name. In any case, as I understand it, the feature does not yet have an official name. You need to advise what your sources are calling it and then change the name accordingly (see Encyclopedia:Requested moves). SpinningSpark 19:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much Spinningspark. I am seeing first if the other contributor will work with me, if not I will carry on with your advice without them. (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I regret the spanner in the works, and I admit to knowing nothing about caves; however, "no one will know until 2020 whether the newly discovered Sarlacc's Pit cave is actually the largest cave in Canada" sounds fishy to me. They/we may not know until 2020 whether this cave is the largest among those known either now in 2019 or at the time (2020), but it's imaginable that come 2028 or whenever, a huge cave will be discovered. Therefore I tentatively suggest the clunky-sounding "no one will know until 2020 whether the newly discovered Sarlacc's Pit cave is actually the largest known cave in Canada". (There are ways to avoid the "know ... known" repetition, e.g. "no one will be sure".) -- Hoary (talk) 10:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • This has been stuck for almost a month with no updates: if this cannot move forward soon, this will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5[]

Articles created/expanded on December 25[]

Crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir

A J&K policeman holding a pellet gun during a violent clash
A J&K policeman holding a pellet gun during a violent clash

** ALT1:... that ...security forces in India also use slingshots for crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir? Source: The Central Reserve Police Force uses a variety of weapons, including pellet guns, tear gas, and slingshots that hurl stones when glass marbles aren’t available. National Geographic

Source: "The army has recommended replacing pellet guns used by paramilitary forces and state police for crowd control in Kashmir with less lethal weapons such as sound cannons, pepper shotguns and chilli grenades." Hindustan Times
  • Comment: image is entirely optional, only text DYK or text+Image DYK can also be considered. ALT2 if approved would need a different image 2

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk), DBigXray (talk), and Kautilya3 (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 18:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Everything looks great. Can you pick a hook and image should I can approve it? All hooks should work, and both images do as well. DannyS712 (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

DannyS712 test, thanks a lot for your kind comment and review. we did a quick poll among ourselves, we feel that ALT0 is the best among the three along with pic 1, please proceed with ALT0. DBigXray 04:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Also notify User:DannyS712 DBigXray 05:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@DBigXray: thanks. The test sig was a mistake, the real reviewer is this account. I'll pass this now.
Thank you User:DannyS712. I made a minor correction in the caption above. regards. DBigXray 13:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@DBigXray: still Symbol confirmed.svg passes --DannyS712 (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Put this on hold, please. Unless I manage to read the entirety and (possibly) get over my initial feelings of slapping a POV tag. If you see no editorial efforts of mine within the next 48 hrs. at the article, feel free to proceed. WBGconverse 13:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @DannyS712:--This's is a blatant POV piece; manifested as an highly effective praise of the Indian machinery. The author has been careful in weeding out any source (of which there is an abundance) that criticizes the methods.
That I'm not involved with the article/ broader area in any editorial manner (and nether with the author in any manner), I don't see any reason to not perform a second-review.
This's a solid ☒N decline from me on grounds of Rule 4 (NPOV). WBGconverse 14:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi User:Winged Blades of Godric thanks for sharing your opinion on the article. The article authored by DiplomatTesterMan as it stands right now covers all aspect of the crowd control in J&K and covers the victims from both sides. This article has recently been created so it does "not" need to pass a GA criteria for being able to pass the DYK nomination stage. That said there is always some room for improvement everywhere, even in a GA/ FA article. So lets contribute collaboratively. If you can elaborate your specific problems with the article on the article talk page and your suggestions on how it can be addressed we all can see what more can be done to improve this article. regardsDBigXray 15:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: I'll re-read the article. I'm sorry I didn't catch this when doing my review --DannyS712 (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
DannyS712 it would be very helpful for the article if after your review you can also share (here or on article talk) your suggestions to improve if you find any "major" issues. regards DBigXray 16:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: The article mentions in the lead the number of protestors killed in 2018 - "51 rioters being killed during clashes and 37 rioters being killed during encounters". The article mentions how over 100 protestors were killed in police firing in 2010. The article mentions how "thousands of people in Jammu and Kashmir have suffered pellet wounds, hundreds have eye-injuries, and at least 14 people have died due to their pellet injuries." The article also talks about "One of the youngest pellet guns victims is a 19 month old child, Heeba Jan, who suffered injuries in 2018. Another young person to suffer from pellet injuries is Insha Malik (Insha Ahmed), who was left blind as a result of her injuries." The article also mentions pellet guns are criticised. The article also mentions how tear gas shells have killed people. It also says how curfews have been held for long periods... Winged Blades of Godric is inaccurate according to me in saying that this is NPOV. I would request someone else to go through it, or even better..... expand it so the NPOV is sorted and we can get over with this, rather than say that this is a highly effective praise of the Indian machinery which should be meaningless here... I also think Winged Blades of Godric is throwing his own highly effective propaganda around if they can't help improve the article despite clearly knowing its faults and saying they are uninvolved despite "trying" to touch it up.
@DannyS712: Even after this if you think it is NPOV should I create an entirely new section in the article called "Criticism" and stuff it with criticism of the methods of India dating all the way back to 1947, about the horrendousness of Indian crowd control methods and how severely inhumane and barbaric they are... that is according to the sources Winged Blades is probably talking about? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
p.s. Encyclopedia:Sarcasm is really helpful... DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Without an explanation from WBG about what specifically they object to, and given that, having re-read this, I believe it to be NPOV, this review is still a Symbol confirmed.svg pass from me. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg The page itself is misleading by its name. There is no mention of neutral sources like local newspapers, UNHRC or any representative report of other countries. The page should be renamed as Kashmir Uprising and content included from those hundreds of neutral sources out there and can anyone explain how can be a 19 month old child as a rioter?  MehrajMir (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@Mehrajmir13: in that case, I'm going to recuse myself from this DYK, and ask for another reviewer: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --DannyS712 (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Mehrajmir13 I note that you are having an ongoing content dispute with me at [2] another article and you have followed me here. Per WP:BATTLE you should not really be using these DYK nominations as battle grounds to attack editors you are having content disputes with. The language used in your comment clearly shows that you are at an impasse.
  • There is nothing misleading about the article title, it has a specific scope and the article covers its scope quite well.
  • Your suggestion to rename this as "Kashmir Uprising" is entirely frivolous because that article on that topic already exists at 2016–17 Kashmir unrest.
  • After your comment I have included the UNCHR report from a local Kashmiri newspaper. I note that the article already includes criticism from notable organisations such as Amnesty International. DBigXray 22:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Mehrajmir13, that is unfortunately not a productive comment. You very well know that Crowd control in Kashmir and Kashmir uprising can never be the same article. If you would like an article on the latter, you are free to create one. As far as this article is concerned, if you are able to make any suggestions for improvements, either before or after DYK, I am sure DBigXray will take them on board and I will be happy to help to the extent I can. The current sources include the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC and Reuters. They are from "third countries" as far as I am aware. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I do not think that the renaming that is suggested in the link above will occur and I have commented the same on the talk page WP:BOLD. The other points raised related to the sources cited can be addressed accordingly, and do not have anything to with this DYK as far as I can tell now since Winged Blades doubts have also been addressed as far as I can tell since there in no reply from his side here above. I request this DYK to continue for now unless no one has any other page rename suggestions, and inclusion of sources which haven't been used, can carry on. Again I repeat, as far as the DYK issue is concerned, I think it can proceed as normal. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • You don't have to be "WP:BOLD" to reply on talk page. Fact that you are completely misunderstanding the concerns and throwing a bunch of personal attacks as per your talk page comments,[3] it only means that that the issue has not resolved. A simple concern, that you are still not understanding, is that this is not a normal crowd but protesters, and this issue doesn't concerns entire Jammu and Kashmir but only Kashmir Valley. The problem is not just with the title but article itself.  MehrajMir (talk) 16:21, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Mehrajmir13 you are acting naive now. Crowd control is the standard phrase used internationally, if you arent aware of the standard terms then knowledge is just a quick google search away, ("crowd control"+"kashmir") which turns up a large number of reliable sources that are using this term.
  • DiplomatTesterMan (You do not have to respond to Mehrajmir) let's wait for a neutral DYK reviewer to come along and review this, as I already noted above, Mehrajmir13 has followed my contributions to reach this DYK and to continue his content dispute with me. The points he has raised are clearly frivolous WP:IDONTLIKEIT kind of stalling tactics. DBigXray 16:41, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I watched this DYK since it is concerns one of the area where I frequently contribute and I am a long term contributor to DYKs in general, having nearly 3 times more edits to DYK space than you.
  • You should refrain from any more personal attacks now. Your "standard terms" show nothing compared to what we see after searching "protestors"+"kashmir"+"pellet" on Google. Indeed, reliable sources like Amnesty, BBC[4][5], DNA India, The Hindu and many others make no mention of "crowd" but talk about "protestors".  MehrajMir (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh Congratulations to you, that you have 3 times more edits than me on DYK, unfortunately I am not interested in comparing dick sizes or DYK edit counts. You have already confessed above that you are going through my contribution, which is how you found that you have "three times more edits on DYK than me". I would advise you not to follow my contribution history anymore. On the next instance of your hounding I will seek admin actions to prevent this.
  • The comments by Mehrajmir13 (who seems to be here only to stall the DYK and get rid of the article) have already been replied to both here and on the talk page. WBG has also warned him against this behavior [6]. The consensus on the talk page is to continue with the current title and article, there is absolutely no consensus for any kind of merge or rename. DBigXray 11:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I note here, that I will wait for comments from a new DYK reviewer, so that this DYK page does not become another WP:BATTLEGROUND.DBigXray 11:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed, as noted above. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Simple requests: who, what, where and why? I made a few edits but have already been reverted: one to explain that the region belongs to India, and to explain who is using these weapons. I am not interested in an edit war, only in resolving this nomination. I understand that the 2016–17 Kashmir unrest is WP:TOOBIG otherwise this clearly belongs there because every date cited is from that period.
  • Can the background section or lead please summarize why conflict is necessary?
  • Can the hook please say that Indian security forces are using these weapons?

-SusanLesch (talk) 15:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

  • SusanLesch, my aim was also not to start an edit war. I reverted my own edit of your edit. The lead is again as you had put it. Thank you for these points. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • SusanLesch, For your point - "I understand that the 2016–17 Kashmir unrest is WP:TOOBIG otherwise this clearly belongs there because every date cited is from that period." This article clearly has SOPs and laws and incidents and equipment which are prior to 2016 -17. There are plently more incidents which can be added prior to 2016. Hence the shift to 2016–17 Kashmir unrest isn't needed apart from the reason of WP:TOOBIG also. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @SusanLesch:, You have written - "Can the hook please say that Indian security forces are using these weapons?" It already says that. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • "Can the background section or lead please summarize why conflict is necessary?" I have added two lines to the background section accordingly. I also mentioned security forces in the lead again. I think all your points should be covered with these answer? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: SusanLesch, You had written "I am not interested in an edit war". This is exactly how edit wars start. I will let others see how to handle this since this is taking too much energy and I don't have the energy to explain why so many points you have written above are nonsensical in my opinion stemming from not being able to understand what this article is about and seeming to not understand that other Encyclopedia articles already cover your points which you want to add here. I am nominating this for article for AFD since if it can't pass a simple DYK then I don't think it should even be an article. Regards. Happy editing. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 05:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • AFD link - Encyclopedia:Articles for deletion/Crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 05:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @DBX and DTm:- This's getting more and more farcical with the passage of time. This article (though on a notable topic) will need a huge lot of work to be NPOV-free (and be DYK suitable) and rebut concerns of Cforking. Please withdraw this nom. WBGconverse 09:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
    SusanLesch thanks a lot for giving a detailed review along with your concerns. IMHO this is much more helpful than some of the other comments that were made above. DTM is on vacation and I will take time to fix the issues that you pointed. Thanks for your patience.
Thank you, DBigXray. Something tells me there's a chance this could work out. P.S. Maybe you can edit down the section I added about the UN report. It sticks out like a sore thumb, maybe that's allright. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I agree with WBG that you ought to withdraw your nomination unless one of you is going to fix this article now. Four days have passed since the second rejection, yet the original authors have made zero contributions. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Working to fix the concerns raised above. reviewing material and sources. DBigXray 06:31, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Working After a much needed break from this article, I am now able to shift to this article again and will take up each point raised one by one, as calmly as possible with the patience this one requires. This is a difficult article and will be given due consideration accordingly, as I had been giving accordingly when I first created it. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I have started a new section on the talk page of the article (Talk:Crowd_control_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir#Points_raised_in_the_DYK) that will deal with all the points raised by SusanLesch one by one. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27[]

XIX Army Corps

  • ... that the XIX Army Corps, a Nazi era German Panzer corps, fought its way from Luxembourg to the English Channel in just ten days? Source: Guderian, Heinz (2003) [1950]. Erinnerungen eines Soldaten. Motorbuch Verlag. ISBN 3879436932. OCLC 460817326.
  • Reviewed: NA, this is my 3rd DYK
  • Comment: Hook drafted by Ted52

Created by Ted52 (talk). Nominated by DannyS712 (talk) at 18:08, 31 December 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I'm probably just blind, but I don't see where the article explicitly supports the material in the DYK hook and cites a source supporting it
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I find the article very interesting and comprehensive; I can tell the creator worked very hard on it and that is much appreciated! However, I'm afraid this will require work before it can be eligible. I'd suggest first making sure all material is supported by a reliable sources and then requesting a copy-edit. I haven't fully reviewed for neutrality yet but will soon. Best of wishes, SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ted52: can you take a look at this? I'm not any where to as knowledgeable about this page as you are... --DannyS712 (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: All material can be supported by sources, but I was of the impression that citing the same page over and over again is just bad style. I could go through the work of citing every paragraph? Ted52 (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Ted52. Since you're using an inline citation style, then the general rule is that there should be a cite for at least every paragraph, and if a paragraph has material from multiple citations you may sometimes want to distribute multiple refs within that paragraph. Using a cite multiple times it's not a problem; it's certainly better than having unsourced material. The following sections in particular need to be sourced better:
  • Wizna and Brest-Litovsk (6–16 September 1939)
  • The "German-Soviet Parade" and the Conclusion of the Campaign (17 September - 6 October 1939)
  • Preparations
  • Attack towards the Meuse (10–13 May 1940)
  • In the Somme Basin (17–20 May 1940)
  • Towards Dunkirk (21–29 May 1940)
  • Panzergruppe Guderian and southern Redeployment (28 May - 9 June 1940)
  • Southern Offensive (10–22 June 1940)
  • Panzergruppe 2
  • XIX Mountain Army Corps
It's an interesting read, and again, I can tell you worked hard on it. Let me know if you have any questions.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Very well, will do. Is there a way I can template one reference and use it for the next? Reentering the same book's info over and over again is cumbersome, but I also don't want to do the thing where it's like "p. 100 - 200", because that's silly. I would like to preferably use the same reference over and over again for like 60% of the passages you inquire about, but with a slightly different page notation each time. The reason why most of the paragraphs aren't cited is exactly that 'cumbersome' functionality of having to build the reference from scratch everytime. Ted52 (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ted52: Well, I suppose you could convert to using {{sfn}} refs. Basically how that works is you have two reference sections; one of them has a list of sources and the other usually just contains {{reflist}}. For the list of sources section, you include |ref=harv at the end of each citation template. Then, whenever you want to use a reference in the article, use the coding {{sfn|Author's last name|Year the author wrote it|pp=Page number range (or p=single page number)}}, and make sure that in the list of sources section each ref has a last= parameter and either a year= or date= parameter. If you do everything correctly, when you click on a sfn ref used in the article, it will be abbreviated and take you to the ref section with the reflist; then if you click on the highlighted ref there, it will take you to that ref's entry in the list of full sources, which only need to be listed once. It sounds confusing, yes, but once you get used to it it's not as bad as it seems. The documentation page for the template gives a lot more details. I can give you some examples if you'd like and I could help you convert the refs for this one. It's often a good idea to use it when there are book citations which you use a large number of pages from. Another technique sometimes used is having sfn for some sources and the other "main" ref style for others, such as using sfn for only books.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
An example of a page using sfn for only the book refs is Chinese alligator (e.g., the abbreviated Reading & Miller 2000, p. 72. in the reflist which links to the full ref in the sources subsection: Reading, Richard P.; Miller, Brian (2000). Endangered Animals: A Reference Guide to Conflicting Issues (illustrated ed.). Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0313308161. Retrieved December 9, 2018.). Molly Morgan is an example of a page which uses sfn for all references except one. If you have any further questions, please let me know; this can seem quite confusing. I highly recommend that you read the documentation page for the sfn template if you might want to use this style.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
(btw, Ted52, the correct coding for a ping is {{reply to|USERNAME HERE}}, not {{reply to:USERNAME HERE}} :-)--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Another way to repeat citations of the same source, specifying different pages, is to define a reference by name (e.g. SOURCE) and combine that with a page number template e.g.
    <ref name="SOURCE"/>{{rp|6-42}}
    Repeat as needed, just give relevant page numbers each time. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────G'day all, I just noticed this on the Milhist alert list. I thought I'd give you a heads-up that Guderian was the commanding general of this formation at the time, and we need to be careful about accepting what he says as gospel, given he is probably too close to the subject. It would be much better if this hook was cited to a reliable source that was independent of the subject. As a general observation, the article relies far too heavily on Guderian's writings, needs more independent reliable sources, and we need to be wary of the clean Wehrmacht trope associated with many Wehrmacht generals trying to whitewash their activities during the war. Also, the article should be at XIX Army Corps (Wehrmacht) IAW pre-emptive disambiguation arrangements for military formations per WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ted52: It's been a while since this nom has received any activity; would it be possible for you to cite the hook to a source that is independent of the subject and reliable, per Peacemaker67's suggestion? Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@SkyGazer 512:@Peacemaker67: I think I have been quite careful in pointing out the rather obvious flaws with Guderian's writings in terms of the war crimes committed by the German units during the operation, and used them strictly for the purpose of the unit's military movement. Yes, there are authors I could cite - Piekalkiewicz, Mazouwer, Shirer, Frieser, Kershaw, Bishop and others have all at least tangentially written about XIX Army Corps, especially as it was so central to the operational success of the whole campaign. But - and this a big but -, they all go back to Guderian's writings as their source for any troop movements they describe. You'll reliably find his books in their bibliographies, and, if inline citations are used, they either reference him or often earlier authors that also referenced him. You're not going to find precise primary source information about what battle lines the units were to take on Guderian's orders or what crossroads they were to advance to or what towns were or weren't captured in a single day outside of Guderian, who got to use his personal notes for the information at hand. I tried desperately to staff up any information that could be double checked, but even good old Percy Schramm couldn't help me, as his war diaries don't start before August of 1940. So, if it's okay to just phantom cite Guderian through other authors, I guess I can try and do that, but that's hardly intellectually honest. Ted52 (talk) 08:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you very much for your work on the article, Ted52. Looking through this nomination and the article, I think it would be best if I let somebody do the rest of the review. It would be nice to have a second opinion on whether the sourcing is sufficient now. Also, it is a really long article and I have been doing quite a bit in both real life and Encyclopedia lately, so I'm not sure I would be able to take thoroughly look over so many paragraphs and sources myself. In addition, I'm not particularly knowledgeable with the article topic (although it is very interesting) or the languages the refs use. Therefore, I'm requesting a new reviewer. I apologize for taking so long to get back.--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 00:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 19[]

NGC 3665

Created by C messier (talk). Self-nominated at 09:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg A good, albeit highly technical article. Length and newness are fine. I can't see all the sources, but the article reflects those that I can. I think that ALT1 is the more interesting hook and happy to approve on that basis. Bermicourt (talk) 19:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see "dusty disk" anywhere in the article or sources. Mention is made of a "dust lane". Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: In the article is mentioned as dust disk, and in the arxiv pdf of entry assosiated with the first source is mentioned as dusty disk. [9] C messier (talk) 08:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @C messier: really, the way you write it in the article should match the source. Meanwhile, the caption that mentions "dust disk" doesn't have an inline cite, so ALT1 is ineligible for DYK at this time. I would promote ALT0 instead, but both the facts in that hook also lack inline cites (immediately after the sentence in which they appear). Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @C messier:. The way things work around here, if you can arrange for the hook and the article text to be identical, it'll pass. And, although I'm confident your sources would back either hook, unfortunately we can't see the actual articles at the links you've provided. If I were you, I'd just quote a visible online source verbatim in both hook and text. It should then sail through unless someone thinks the hook is boring of course... But that's highly subjective, so you just have to have a go. Bermicourt (talk) 18:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Bermicourt: verbatim copying is going to violate WP:COPYVIO unless it is placed in quotes. That is not what I'm asking for here. The article says "dust disk" and the source, according to the page creator, says "dusty disk". I'm only talking about a term, not whole descriptions. Yoninah (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Verbatim copying doesn't automatically violate copyright law, nor does paraphrasing automatically escape copyright violation. That said, I agree it's sensible to put in quotes the verbatim part of a hook as well as citing it. In view of where we are, I'd also recommend the creator now quotes the exact text that he's derived the hook from, so we can be satisfied it supports the hook sufficiently. Bermicourt (talk) 19:11, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Bermicourt:, I added the inline cites immediately after the sentence in which they appear. Conserning the dusty disk at the pdf you can see " Alatalo et al. (2013) showed a prominent dusty disk in the g − r image", while at Alatalo et al mentions at figure A12 "NGC 3665 is a group regular rotator (MK = −24.92) with normal stellar morphology. It contains a dust disc." C messier (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

  • I find the first to be the more interesting and unique. The fact that a lenticular galaxy has a dusty disk is just being redundant, and many galaxies are active. Praemonitus (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @C messier: thank you for that cite. I agree with Praemonitus that ALT0 is a more interesting hook, but now I'm wondering if "molecular gas" (in the article) is the same as "molecular cloud" in the hook? Yoninah (talk) 00:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I think you're right, they're not necessarily the same thing. The sourced papers are talking specifically about the ISM, which includes but is not the same as the star-forming molecular cloud regions. The hook should probably say "molecular gas regions". Praemonitus (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 21[]

All India Azad Muslim Conference

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Anupam: Full review to follow, but I would suggest (as advice and not as requirement) that the article be reorganized; right now the lede is longer than any of the other sections (including the History section if you exclude the quote). Perhaps some of the content in the lede could be moved to the History section or be discussed in a new section? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Anupam: Are you still going to work on this article? It's been more than a month since the last edits to it, and none of my suggestions were worked on. Once this is done I can give this a review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, I will restructure the lede shortly. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 21:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I have expanded the article significantly User:Narutolovehinata5. The lede of the article as it is (though I did move some some information to the "History" section as you suggested) summarizes the body of the article. Thanks, AnupamTalk 03:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits. The article looks much better now and I'm tentatively approving this (it meets the requirements and the hook fact is cited inline and is interesting). The only concern I have remaining is that the hook could be rewritten slightly since it mentions "India" twice in quick succession. @Anupam: Once this is resolved, this will be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:30, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you User:Narutolovehinata5. I've edited the hook to remove one of those instances of the word "India". I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 04:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Thanks. Almost ready as the article meets most of the DYK requirements, and the hook is interesting and cited inline. Just needs a copyedit to fix grammar issues such as missing commas or improper capitalizations, and this will be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply User:Narutolovehinata5. Feel free to make the adjustments you feel are necessary. Kind regards, AnupamTalk 21:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, the article was just copyedited and improved. I hope it would be good to go now. With regards, AnupamTalk 02:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 23[]

Composite Nationalism and Islam

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 23:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm honestly not sure if the article subject meets the notability guidelines; I understand that the book is old and was published in 1938, but the sources in the article seem to be more about Maulana than the book itself (at least based on the quotations) Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, if you perform search for the book with its Urdu title متحدہ قومیت اور اسلام, there are a plethora of results, apart from the English ones in the article. As the article was only recently created, there is a lot of expansion that can be done. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd suggest beefing up the article more at this point. While the article itself is long enough for DYK, the article doesn't really seem to go into much detail about the book itself, but rather Maulana's life. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate the advice User:Narutolovehinata5. I'll definitely expand the article when I get some time. Thanks again, AnupamTalk 01:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Anupam: It's been more than a month since your last comment. Are you still willing to pursue the nomination? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, thanks for your reply. On the same day I said I would expand the article, I did so. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 18:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 24[]

Nazir Ahmad Wani

Nazir Wani's wife receiving Ashok Chakra from the President of India
Nazir Wani's wife receiving Ashok Chakra from the President of India
  • ...that first Ashoka Chakra (pictured) recipient from Kashmir, Nazir Ahmad Wani, was a militant before he surrendered and joined the Indian Army ? Source: "Lance Naik Nazir Ahmed Wani, ... was once an ikhwan (a terrorist who surrenders and becomes involved in counter-insurgency operations) before joining the Army...Wani was a terrorist initially and became a counter-insurgent after he realised the futility of violence. (Times of India) "Kashmir's first Ashok Chakra for Lance Naik Nazir Ahmad Wani" (The Hindu)

Created by Fitindia (talk), Sarvatra (talk) and DBigXray (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 22:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Long enough and created in the seven-day window, but ... that long quote from the medal citation is causing serious copyvio issues. Yes, it's attributed and all, but I think, per MOS:QUOTE, it could be paraphrased, with occasional inline quotes, rather than blockquoted at length ("It is generally recommended that content be written in Encyclopedia editors' own words. Consider paraphrasing quotations into plain and concise text when appropriate (while being aware that close paraphrasing can still violate copyright)."). Daniel Case (talk) 07:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Pinging DBigXray. FitIndia Talk 16:54, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Daniel Case please accept my sincere thanks for reviewing and approving this DYK. I discussed your concerns with other members of Wikiproject Military history at Encyclopedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Indian_military_history_task_force#Award_citation_in_article and it seems that there is a precedent of keeping the citations. The Gazette from where the citation is sourced is released by Government of India as open license, so there are absolutely no copyvio concerns. As the consensus of this discussion suggests there are strong reasons for keeping the citation section as it is. IMHO the citation section presents the circumstances of his death and makes it interesting for the reader. So may I request you to kindly reconsider if you can approve this DYK with the award citation section as it is. DBigXray 18:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 25[]

Government Employee Fair Treatment Act

Created by Dominic (talk). Self-nominated at 01:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: The hook is quite repetitive with "United States" and "federal government shutdown" repeated twice. Not everything needs to be linked, either. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg At 228 characters, the hook is too long for DYK, which has an absolute maximum of 200, and has been struck. Please provide a new, shorter hook, keeping in mind Yoninah's advice to avoid repetition and excessive linking. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah and BlueMoonset: Dominic hasn't edited since March 1st and in any case never responded to the comments made here. I've left him a talk page notice, but if he doesn't reply in the next few days, this may have to be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Marking for closure now. There were three posts to Dominic's talk page on this nomination: February 3, February 16, and March 9, all in the same section, the last saying we needed to hear back in a few days. Yours makes the fourth, a week after "a few days". We might want to give this another week before actual closure, but I think we've bent over backward trying to get a response. I do hope we hear back, but I'm not optimistic. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: The hook is the only issue right now right? If that's the case, all that could be done could be to try to shorten the current hook. I'm willing to do it myself, but I'm not sure how. If there are other issues however, then I agree that closure is the only option. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, we have no idea what issues there might or might not be because there has been no review beyond issues raised with the hook. A quick run of DYKcheck shows that the article was new enough and more than long enough when created, but none of the other necessary checks have been done. If there are any issues beyond the hook, it seems unlikely that they will be addressed unless someone—you?—is willing to review the article, propose a valid hook, and make any necessary fixes, in which case another reviewer could be pinged to do the final checks. At this point, it looks like it's up to you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: As a general rule, I personally try as much as possible not to involve myself in actually personally fixing article issues, leaving such things to the nominator or other contributors (personally I don't want to try to get too involved in articles, especially in topics that are outside my usual editing subjects). With that said, after giving this some thought and checking the article, it was so close to actually passing. There weren't many problems with the article itself, and while Earwigs has a high score with this page, said page was published after the most recent edit to the article, so it's possible that the site copied from Encyclopedia or elsewhere instead of vice-versa. The issue is that one sentence, incidentally the sentence that gives the hook fact, lacks a footnote. Specifically, the sentence that goes This meant, unlike in previous shutdowns, the bill became active law prior to, and separate from, any agreement ending the shutdown itself. If a source could be found for that, this can continue, but otherwise closure may be the only option. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Considering the circumstances and the fact that no one has decided to adopt this nomination, I regret to say that it might be time to close this as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 is a much better hook. The last sentence in the "Legislative history" section needs a citation. Flibirigit (talk) 02:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Sentence removed. While probably true, it's not something a source has explicitly mentioned, and can arguably fall under WP:SYNTH. feminist (talk) 07:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 26[]

Miguel Pizarro

Pizarro in 2013
Pizarro in 2013
  • ... that Venezuelan politician Miguel Pizarro helped form the Venezuelan student movement along with people like Freddy Guevara, Juan Requesens and Juan Guaidó? Source: Spanish: "El nuevo líder de la oposición en Venezuela, Juan Guaidó[...] se vinculó al movimiento estudiantil de 2007 [con] Juan Requesens, Stalin González, Miguel Pizarro y Freddy Guevara"; English: "The new leader of Venezuela's opposition, Juan Guaidó[...] formed the 2007 student movement [with] Requesens, González, Pizarro, and Guevara" (El Espectador)
  • Reviewed: R. Hari Kumar
  • Comment: Alternative opposition leader for the main page!

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 29 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has been more than sufficiently expanded within the 7 days prior to this nomination. There are no major prose or neutrality problems. However, quite a bit of the article is unsourced, so please make sure that all material is supported by a reliable source.
Both hooks are quick and hooky. ALT1 seems fine, but I see a few issues with ALT0 (original hook). First of all, is "the Venezuelan student movement" really the correct name? There may be multiple Venezuelan student movements and I don't think "the Venezuelan student movement" is the actual name of it, or at least it isn't mentioned in the article. Second, nothing about Freddy Guevara, Juan Requesens, or Juan Guaidó is mentioned in the article.
The image looks fine and is freely licensed, but it is not used anywhere in the article itself, which is a requirement for DYK. A QPQ has been completed.
So, to reiterate, the specific issues with this are unsourced material in the article, two issues with ALT0, and the fact that the image supplied with the nomination is not used in the article. Overall, the article and hook seem well-written and interesting, so thank you for your work. Once these issues are addressed, this should be good to go. :-) Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Just for clarity, here are a few specific unsourced areas I've noticed: all of the "Early life" section, the last part of the "2007 Student movement" section, the first two paragraphs of the "National Assembly" section, all of the "Reelection as deputy" and "Presidency of the Commission for Social Development" sub-sections, and the last sentence of the first paragraph in the "Human rights activism" section.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, thank you for the reminder! Kingsif (talk) 02:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 27[]

2019 World Para Swimming Championships

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article seems to meet the article requirements for DYK. Considering the sensitivity of the topic, the article presenting the matter factually and in a neutral manner is good. QPQ done. I am however concerned with the hook wording: it's factual and based on what the source says, but I feel the language might be a bit too strong. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Specifically the word "refused". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
But that's exactly what The BBC source used to describe it. I am still unsure as to how you think that is too strong @Narutolovehinata5:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Under normal circumstances, I would have been fine with the "refused" wording. But this is linked to the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I'd rather be safe than sorry with that. The thought I had was to use "would not allow" instead of "refused", or something like that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I may not know much about that as a British Christian but I'm going by the fact that the BBC used it and the BBC does have a reputation for being fairly unbiased when it comes to reporting so I am not prepared to change it because I can't see how using "refused" would trigger anyone involved in the Israel-Palestine issue. I am willing to be convinced otherwise. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with The C of E: I can't see how 'refused' is not a factual and neutral description of Malaysia's actions. – Teratix 09:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Toofan Singh

  • ... that over 400,000 people attended the funeral ceremony of Toofan Singh? Source: "over 400,000 people attended the funeral ceremony of Toofan Singh" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: Was thinking of nominating it before the expiration of the timestamp.

Created by Harmanprtjhj (talk). Self-nominated at 21:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC).

Review not started

  • Article has a neutrality tag valereee (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Tag removed because it was not probably a valid one per discussion.[10] Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:29, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It looks valid to me, and should not have been removed by the article's author. I have reverted the removal. The neutrality discussion should take place on the article's talk page. (See Template:POV#When_to_remove.) There is a problem with the hook, in that it is an exact copy of the source's wording as given here. We can't copy without quoting. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • What about Template:POV#When to use? Where is the discussion? Drive by tagging is not the way. Hook is not the copy of the source. You need to provide evidence of that. It cannot be quoted because it appears to be backed by multiple reliable sources. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Harmanprtjhj, I looked at the hook, and then the Source quoted right after it, and drew the natural conclusion that the Source was a quote, and the hook echoed the source. What I didn't realize was that you had mistakenly entered the hook in the Source section, and valereee simply copied it into proper hook format while leaving the Source listing intact, making it look like the hook was identical to the Source, which appeared to be a quote from your original entry. I'm sorry the confusion arose.
However, there still appear to be significant issues. With regard to the neutrality, the article includes such sentences as Singh was glorified as a martyr, and poets sang in praise of his bravery. This is a non-neutral sentence in Encyclopedia's voice (and rather flowery at that, rather than encyclopedic in tone): there is no explanation of who glorified him nor what poetry or song arose and how extensive it might have been. Context is everything, and crucial here. With regard to the hook, since I don't read the language I put the two sources cited for his funeral through Google translate, and got the following:
  • From bhaskar.com: It is said that around four lakh people gathered in tribute to him during the funeral.
  • From aajtak.intoday.in: It is said that four lakh people attended the funeral of Jugraj.
These are very similar, but what struck me is that both sources use wording that translates as "It is said that": in short, they don't know themselves, and are going by numbers of unknown quality or neutrality that may be accurate or may be significantly off in either direction. The article, to reflect the sources, needs to include that qualification, as would the hook. (The "over" with regard to the 400,000 in the hook doesn't appear to be supported, but I'm leery of trusting Google translate to get that level of nuance correct.)
Finally, DYK rules require that none of the source citations be bare URLs. You will need to address that. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There has been no edits to the article in three weeks to address any of the issues raised above, nor any response here. If more time is needed, please request it here, but we do expect some general progress to be made, and another seven days should be sufficient to see some. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Somewhat busy but I will get back to modifying the article anytime soon. Thanks for the note. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 04:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • ☒N This is a stub and there are a multitude of other problems including neutrality. Brazen Khalistani glorification.WBGconverse 13:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    Struck hook for being factually inaccurate. The number of people who flocked at his funeral vary widely and all sources write:-- .... it is said that XXX number of people were present...... This HT piece claims more than 1-lakh. WBGconverse 13:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 29[]

Bell Let's Talk

Bell Let's Talk logo
Bell Let's Talk logo

5x expanded by Kae14 (talk). Nominated by Jaobar (talk) at 01:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Tagged with {{self-published}} for almost a month now. Daniel Case (talk) 07:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Dear Daniel Case, thank you for this comment. The flag is unjustified, as many of the citations are not from self-published sources. The initiative is contentious as discussed here: Talk:Bell_Let's_Talk#Removing_self-published_flag. I have removed the flag. I should add that I've restored a considerable amount of content that was removed without justification the other day. Again, evidence that this particular topic is contentious. --Jaobar (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Daniel Case, I'm about to leave some comments on the talk page, and I'm going to tag the page with a COI template, a sourcing template, and a promotional template. I strongly suggest no one consider putting this on the front page. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@Drmies: As long as the tags are on the pages, it won't happen. Daniel Case (talk) 03:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Jaobar: I will give you a week to address Drmies's and Daniel Case's concerns; if you are unable to do so, this will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:57, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nominator has been unable to respond to pings to address the issues. Marking for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:44, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Dear Narutolovehinata5, thank you for your note. Unfortunately, Drmies and I have not reached agreement in terms of the issues raised. If all that is required to move DYK forward is the removing of the flag, I would support that. It remains unclear to me how a local image added to the commons = conflict of interest. It is also unclear to me how commentary about local university initiatives in the context of a broader organizational campaign is equivalent to promotion or marketing. These seem to be considerable overstatements. I can note this on the talk page for the article, but I am sure the disagreement will continue. What do you recommend? Best, --Jaobar (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Well, since this, with its re-insertion of trivial, self-sourced, primarily sourced, and promotional material, nothing has happened. I don't see where you tried to improve the article or the sourcing, for instance, or put forward an effort on the talk page to improve the article. So the last notes you left were edit summaries and talk page comments about BITE and violations of AGF and all that; no wonder we haven't reached agreement. Oh, I'm accused of being uncivil too. I'll repeat what I said on the talk page--"-I do know that you are employed by York U, and that a significant chunk of the non-noteworthy and promotional content in the article relates to York". So that I would base the COI tag on a Commons image is not true; what is true is that the Commons image (File:YU Lets Talk Wall.jpg) looks, to me, like an expression of COI. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
        • Dear Drmies, thank you for your comment. I say again, I am not the individual who edited the article or the individual who added the picture to the commons. I did nominate the article for DYK, on behalf of a student who 5X expanded the article for a class assignment. COI has a clear and negative connotation, which is not appropriate in the current context. Its use here, as an argument-ender, is the reason I have suggested violation of Encyclopedia conduct policy. --Jaobar (talk) 01:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
            • Well, I happened to dislike being accused of all those things. But that's all by the by. Bottom line is you reverted me after I pruned the article. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Spider-Man (Insomniac Games)

Created/expanded by Jhenderson777 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Probably should hold off on DYK until merge discussion is resolved. Daniel Case (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes agreed. Jhenderson 777 03:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
The tag should be removed, then. Daniel Case (talk) 03:03, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that merge template has been removed from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Daniel Case: Would you like to do a full review now that the merge tag has been removed or would you like someone else to do so?--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 18:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

2019 Peterborough recall petition

  • ... that the possible Peterborough recall petition, 2019 might be called if the sitting MP who compared herself to Jesus is unsuccessful in overturning her perverting the course of justice conviction?
  • ALT1: ... that there will be a recall petition called in Peterborough unless the sitting MP who compared herself to Jesus is unsuccessful in overturning her perverting the course of justice conviction? Source: BBC
  • Reviewed: HMS Saracen (P247)
  • Comment: This is a potentially politically charged topic regarding current UK politics so I would suggest holding it for a month or so. Happy to consider any alternate hook proposals or alterations

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 11:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC).

  • This article is WP:TOOSOON/WP:CRYSTAL and should probably be moved to draft space until the petition has actually happened. I had seen it pop up on the new article feed and was considering putting it up for deletion TBH. Number 57 12:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
    • It's not CRYSTAL as it is legally mandated to occur pending any appeals (Which we have expressed intent of, but none occurred as of yet) At present, it is something that will happen based on the court verdict. When there is an appeal we simply have to hold it until the decision is made. If the verdict is quashed then it can be deleted. Until then, it is just on hold pending any appeal. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The page should be moved in keeping with this RfC that determined the year should go first. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Moved. -- KTC (talk) 01:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@The C of E:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg I have no problem on the question of TOOSOON or CRYSTAL as unless any appeal is successful or she resigns in the mean time, this will happen by operation of law, and the time frame we are talking about is months so not too far away. The hook need to be reworded. Either 'there will be a recall petition unless', or this is kept on hold until appeal is determined. The article itself could do with a bit of copyediting, but I'm happy with it for the purpose of DYK. KTC (talk) 01:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@KTC: I have made the amendments you have asked for. Thank you for making the move, I am unsure if this nomination page needs any further alterations to reflect the move. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg @The C of E: Okay. No, the nomination page shouldn't be moved or anything. Things will redirect so is fine. I've also copyedited the article a little on what I had most problems with. Suggest this be held until at least after the currently scheduled appeal hearing on 5 March. -- KTC (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg The QPQ review had a major flaw, in that the article was passed despite being over 600 characters short of a 5x expansion. Under the circumstances, a new QPQ should probably be submitted, since the original one was problematic. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I have done Template:Did you know nominations/Boston Manor tube station as the QPQ. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:54, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg@KTC: I'm surprised you approved this hook, with that BLP violation staring you in the face. Even without mentioning her name, the note that she compared herself to Jesus and is involved in overturning her perverting the course of justice conviction is not acceptable for the main page. The C of E please provide a new hook. Yoninah (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah You're going to have to be more specific exactly what problem you have with it in terms of BLP. The BLP subject is WELLKNOWN, so BLPCRIME doesn't applies, and even if it does, she have been duly convicted in a court of law, not just accused. The "Jesus" comparison by the BLP subject herself in response to the conviction was 1) a comparison made by the subject herself, and 2) is cited to a reliable source, and for that matter widely reported at the time and after sentencing. The second part is also cited, neutrally and legally correct. She have been convicted and sentence to a term of imprisonment less than or equal to 12 months, which mean by operation of law a recall petition will happen unless she appeals sucessfully. Exactly what is the problem with us saying precisely that? -- KTC (talk) 23:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is not accurate as written; it's backwards. The petition will occur unless she's successful with her appeal to overturn (or occur if she's unsuccessful with said appeal to overturn). Under the circumstances, I think this needs to go on hold until after the appeal (now only six days away) and the ruling from it, after which everything should be much clearer (unless there are multiple levels of appeal, which could delay things even further). We'd want a new hook in that event anyway (and preferably one that doesn't use both "recall" and "called").
If her appeal succeeds, she's considered to be not guilty, right? We shouldn't risk running a hook about her perverting the course of justice if there's a chance the law decides next week that she didn't do so. I'm not well-versed in the intricacies of BLP, but as her fame seems to be primarily due to this incident, it would seem to follow that an overturned conviction would prevent us featuring it on the main page. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Of course if she succeeds, then this won't happen and we can close it. As for the hook, yes it will have to be held until all legal avenues are exhausted, I even said that when I first nominated it which was before she appealed. To reword the hook, ALT3... that there will be a recall petition called in Peterborough as the sitting MP who compared herself to Jesus was convicted of perverting the course of justice? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Her appeal have been rejected, and it have been reported that she have "exhausted her appeal processes". -- KTC (talk) 15:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The only question we have now @KTC: is if this falls under the 30 day elections moratorium. It's not an election as the policy is written but it is going to be treated as one by the media and Electoral Commission (for all intents and purposes) so are we moving forward or holding longer? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@The C of E: If posting, either post it before the recall petition is opened, or after it has closed. In the latter case, if the petition is sucessful, after the resulting by-election. Opinions may differ on whether it falls under WP:DYKNOT. -- KTC (talk) 20:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The C of E, at this point, since the recall petition has to be opened within ten days, as an electoral matter I think this has to wait until the petition has concluded and, unfortunately, if she is recalled but then contests the seat, it would then have an additional wait until the by-election had taken place. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:44, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 31[]

Lorraine 12 D

  • ... that the Lorraine 12D was put into production before the design was finalized?
    • ALT1:... that the Lorraine 12D originally had a horsepower of 350 at the time it was first manufactured, but only 50 were produced before they managed to improve it to 400 horsepower?
  • Comment: Just made this, looks good and rather long

Created/expanded by Username Needed (talk). Self-nominated at 12:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Review: These aren’t bad facts. My only issue is there is no source for the hook and only one source for the article. Jhenderson 777 16:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  • ... that the Lorraine 12D was put into production before the design was finalized?(source: [11] page 9 (in french) Could somebody verify that please. [Username Needed] 14:03, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Note. I might need help on reviewing. I am not familiar with the source being reliable or not. Also I don’t know what it says since it’s in French. I tried googling this particular engine to help find sources but I didn’t find much. Jhenderson 777 23:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Petebutt may be able to help, he's done some work with this article recently. [Username Needed] 11:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
There isn't much available WYSIWYG I'm afraid. The engine was developed rapidly at the start of its production, that much is clear!--Petebutt (talk) 12:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg (Not a full review) The article is presently ineligible because some non-lead paragraphs do not have inline citations, per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines. The Variants section also has no sources. Also, as per the above, none of the hook content is sourced within the article. North America1000 11:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Fixed the variants section, and propose a new, sourced hook.ALT2:... that the Lorraine 12D was the first french engine to reach 400 horsepower?(source: [12] page 9 (in french) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Username Needed (talkcontribs) 13:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that additional sourcing has been provided and a new hook as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:58, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 1[]

Maria Teresa Ferrer i Mallol

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can something better be suggested here? Honestly, as someone who has an interest in historical research myself, the hooks aren't very interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:45, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Second opinion and suggestion: I concur with above, that these aren't interesting. May I suggest you to look into the coverage of her work, to find some interesting fact that she helped to uncover. DBigXray 10:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
A much better hook, but before I give it the go ahead, I'd need to first know if this is the consensus viewpoint or a minority one. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is better than ALT1 and ALT0. Also, the quote from the source and the hotlinked source is missing above. Please provide along with translation if applicable. DBigXray 10:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Hook is supported by [13] (p24), which says "Ferrer i Mallol believes that "the coexistence of the three communities was based on segregation"... Therefore, she focuses on spatial, sexual and religious segregation imposed on the Mudejars". And Narutolovehinata5, my knowledge in this area is insufficient to know if this is a minority or majority view- does it matter for the purposes of this hook? Joseph2302 (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, because promoting fringe topics on the main page, especially without proper context, tends to be frowned upon. I think since attribution is given in the hook, that problem might be resolved anyway, I just need to make sure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This nomination has been stuck for a while now, requesting another review (ideally an expert) to take a look at this, particularly on the suitability of ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Reviewing about the potential fringe aspects. WBGconverse 13:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 6[]

Fatwa of Ali Khamenei against insulting revered Sunni figures

  • Comment: I know that I have 7 days to take action for nominating DYK, but since it is my first experince, please do not ignore me.

Created by M1nhm (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

  • @M1nhm: You must review another nomination to validate your nomination. ~ R.T.G 16:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@RTG: This appears to be the nominator's first nomination: per the rules, nominators with less than five DYK credits are exempted from the QPQ requirement. With that said, I am not very sure about either hook: the topic has potential, but each hook has inadequate wording and may need rephrasing, and I'm worried that the article itself may not pass due to possible POV concerns. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I was trying for a neutral hook. Maybe I have a line, ALT2: "...that insulting Sunni religious figures was not prohibited by fatwa in Iran until the 21st century?" I only didn't review it because I couldn't neutralise the hook... ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 15:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
That sounds better, but I'd like to hear from the nom first. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 9[]

Pacu jawi

Pacu jawi in Indonesia
Pacu jawi in Indonesia
  • ... that in the traditional bull race of Tanah Datar, Indonesia, the jockey holds the tails of two bulls while they sprint across a muddy rice field (pictured)?
    Source: All of the sources basically describe the race this way
  • Reviewed: Wildlife of Spain
  • Comment: I think the image is high quality (as well as many alternative images in commons:Category:Pacu jawi), and I think this will be very attractive as the picture hook (aka lead hook).

Created by HaEr48 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

Tail-biting Pacu Jawi close up.jpg

Symbol question.svg This will make a great picture hook but there's an immediate obvious problem – the picture doesn't show the jockey holding the tails of both bulls; he's holding the yoke instead. Looking at this source, perhaps the hook should focus on the biting of the tail, to get the animal to start running (pictured left). That source calls the animals "cows" so we need to clarify whether they are cows, bulls or both. Andrew D. (talk) 14:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Re picture, indeed looking closer he's holding the yoke (at least his left hand). How about using either of these pictures (see right)? As for bulls or cows, I believe the problem is that the Indonesian language only has the gender-neutral word for cow and bull (sapi), and Indonesian writers writing in English (such as the author of that page you linked) often uses "cow" to refer to the species without realizing that it might be taken to mean the female cattle. The source that talks specifically about gender (cited in the article as Febrianti (2013)) says this: "Sapi yang ikut berpacu biasanya sapi jantan" (trans: "The cattles that joins the race are usually male cattles"; I read Indonesian but you can verify my translation with Google Translate). HaEr48 (talk) 06:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: what do you think now given my response above? HaEr48 (talk) 22:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
@HaEr48: These are reasonable ideas but, first, the QPQ review still seems to be outstanding. Let's get that done before we get back into the details, please. Andrew D. (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: Done. HaEr48 (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Dolo hospital airstrike

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 10:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citation checks out, no apparent copyvios. Chetsford, QPQ needed. Also, please clip the newspapers.com articles so that those without subscriptions can also access the content. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Usernameunique - thanks much, I've finished the QPQ now. Chetsford (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Chetsford, could you also clip the newspapers.com articles so that others can read them? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@Usernameunique: Note that your clipping request above is not part of the DYK rules, and also that per WP:SOURCEACCESS, it is advised to "not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access". North America1000 12:31, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Northamerica1000, they are not being rejected, nor are they "difficult or costly to access". Rather, newspapers.com provides a simple way of letting other people access them: clipping. Moreover, since at least one of the articles supports the hook fact, I think it is reasonable to ask Chetsford to clip the articles in question. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I apologize, I've been a bit behind and haven't had a chance to get around to clipping all the articles. I'm not 100% sure I know how to do it, but I'll figure it out and get to it ASAP. Chetsford (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg It has been over a month without a response or edit from Chetsford. There needs to be progress on this soon if the nomination is to proceed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I probably won't be able to get to this in a timely manner. If clipping is a prerequisite to promotion I may have to withdraw this nomination. Apologies, I will make a note of this for future nominations. Chetsford (talk) 20:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, now that I look more closely at this, I wonder why clipping is being required at all—I can't recall ever seeing such a case. Usernameunique, the AGF tick was invented for just this reason, that we assume good faith that the sources are as claimed, even if they are behind a firewall or not on line at all. Clipping might be required at FAC, but at DYK? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, neither FAC nor GA nor DYK requires clipping. WBGconverse 12:54, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg--Hook is blatantly wrong and I have struck it, for there is considerable doubt over the precise death tally. Also, the statement is not hooky, at all. Airstrikes can kill lots more than 30 and it's entirely non-surprising.
    The way to elicit attention of the reader is to emphasize upon the extraordinary fact that Italy was bombing a hospital; something which is now deemed as a war-crime. So, a new hook, please:-) WBGconverse 13:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I have no problem changing the hook, but on what basis is it "blatantly wrong"? Three sources report death totals of 22, 28, and 30. The hook establishes that between zero and 30 people were killed. If you have better sources and could add them to the article, that would be appreciated. "Something which is now deemed as a war-crime" - under customary international law I'm certain attacking a hospital was a war crime in 1935 as well, and it was most certainly a codified war crime under the convention of 1864. A hook which suggested otherwise would be blatantly wrong, I'm sure. Chetsford (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Chetsford, when tolls of 22, 28 and 30 are reported, claiming as many as 30 people were killed is wrong. As many as means different things to different readers across different contexts and it does not always equate to maximum.
AFAIR, the codifications of not striking hospitals, centers of art et al came in effect from 1907. Also, I was not asking for any insertion about war crime bit, either and I mentioned the particular locus as to locating a more interesting angle (violation of war-conventions) to write a hook. Something of the form:-
ALT1 ... that Italy chose to assault a Red Cross Hospital during the Dolo hospital airstrike in the Second Italo-Ethiopian War?
WBGconverse 13:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
... when tolls of 22, 28 and 30 are reported, claiming as many as 30 people were killed is wrong ... No.
...AFAIR, the codifications of not striking hospitals, centers of art et al came in effect from 1907. As I said, the inviolability and neutrality of hospitals was codified in the convention of 1864. Chetsford (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Yep, that's wrong. 22 is not as many as 30. WBGconverse 17:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
"Yep, that's wrong." As I, and others, have counseled you: no, it isn't. If you require further clarification or would like to debate and/or promote any alternate theories of predicate logic, I suggest you take this to a Talk page or to DYK discussion as there's probably no point in continuing it here since we've moved to a new hook. Thanks. Chetsford (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have no idea why Winged Blades of Godric gave this an AGF tick when saying "Hook is blatantly wrong and I have struck it", because that tick means the nomination has passed, which is clearly not the case. The slash icon is the best given the hook strike. Also, Chetsford is correct: saying "as many as 30 people were killed" when the reports include the number 30 is not wrong at all, since "as many as" gives an upper limit. It is, however, not a good idea to give the high number of a range of reports in a hook, because it gives emphasis to a number that may well be incorrect. (I don't know the comparative reliability of the sources and their source material.) While the article gives the number dead in the lead as 22 to 30, if there were 2 Swedes and between 18 and 28 Ethiopians killed, shouldn't that range be 20 to 30? For ALT1, I'm wondering why "Italy chose to assault" rather than "the Italian Air Force chose to bomb" (when I see "assault", I imagine a ground assault), and would suggest a piped link rather than the direct one to the article: "a Red Cross hospital in Dolo during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War?" (Still not happy with the flow of "chose to", but couldn't find any better wording that was as clear that this the hospital was picked for bombing, not struck as the result of targeting gone awry.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm also not thrilled by the use of "chose" simply because it's an unusual, albeit not necessarily incorrect, word to use in reference to a corporate body. I'd suggest -
We can't name Tito Minnetti by name since Italy never attributed their retaliation specifically to him, only to an unnamed Italian aviator (the article, itself, is careful to only mention that Minnetti was lost at Dolo right before the attack but doesn't make a direct connection). I think this is hooky, though, as the casual observer will wonder what the circumstances of the execution were that caused a Swedish installation to come under attack. And, indeed, since the role of Sweden in the Second Italo-Abyssinian War is not widely known, it will be unlikely anyone will realize this occurred in Ethiopia at all until they click. It also maintains a NPOV by acknowledging both of the war crimes that occurred on the part of the two separate parties to the conflict. Chetsford (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
This is damn good. WBGconverse 17:19, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @BMS:-The article was solidly crafted with due sourcing and the tick for that. That, I've struck the hook, there did not lie any possibility of mistaken promotion. WBGconverse 17:19, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
A tick indicates a nom is ready for promotion. You can't strike the hook and then tick the nom. We can't promote blank space to the main page. Chetsford (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
We can't promote blank space to the main page--I have my assurances that not all are fuckwits. WBGconverse 19:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 10[]

The Unending Game

Vikram Sood during the book launch
Vikram Sood during the book launch
  • Reviewed: Not applicable, with only 2 DYK credits

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk) and DBigXray (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 12:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0 is approved as per discussions and review at Template:Did you know nominations/Vikram Sood. Flibirigit (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Close paraphrasing issues, as noted at the Sood review - some of the examples discussed there apply here as well. Suggest the nominator also review other articles created/expanded that may be similarly affected. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Green tickY done, Nikkimaria The CLOP issues were largely introduced by User:DiplomatTesterMan who is currently on a wiki hiatus. I have gone ahead and did a copy edit of the entire article to fix the concerns that you have pointed. Kindly review again and let me know if the DYK can now proceed. DBigXray 16:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
  • We've somewhat centralized discussion at the other nom. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Flibirigit: I have addressed issues with the bio article (Vikram Sood) first on its DYK nom. Just waiting for an update from Nikkimaria related to the close paraphrasing issues. After that one has been addressed then I think I will move to this one about the book and address any remaining issues. Maybe doing it one by one will be simpler now that it is clear there are two different DYKs here? Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  • DiplomatTesterMan, the Vikram Sood nomination has been promoted to prep. Where does this nomination stand, since you're now free to concentrate on it? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 12[]

Spectral G-index

Source: "the G-Index is proposed because CCT is not a perfect measure of blue light... The G-index value is directly related to blue light content, and so should be specified when light pollution effects on wildlife or on star visibility are a concern.[14]

Created by (talk). Self-nominated at 18:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @: New and long enough, QPQ done, Earwig detects no copyvios. Best practice is that references should be placed after the text they support; there are several paragraphs with no citation at the end. Otherwise looks within policy. Slight tweaks to hook. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 05:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for looking over the article. I think it's a bit odd to cite a source a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time when the text is very clearly referring to the citation at the start of the paragraph. But that seems to be the preference, so I added the citations. I have dealt with all of the "citation needed" tags that were in the article, so hopefully it is ready to go now. (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Regarding the hook, I understand the idea behind using the phrase color temperature instead of CCT, but I worry that way more people are familiar with the abbreviation CCT than with the phrase "color temperature". Would it be ok to have color temperature (CCT)? (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 14[]

Hen Mazzig

  • ... that Hen Mazzig, a gay Israeli soldier-activist, has received attacks from both the left and the right ...? Source: The Jerusalem Post
    • ALT1:... that witnessing at age 12 a Palestinian suicide bombing of a grandmother and granddaughter would inspire Israeli activist Hen Mazzig to join the army ...? Source: Heritage Florida Jewish News

Created/expanded by JBlackCoffee52 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. The last sentence referencing a column in The Forward lacks an in-line citation. It would be helpful to clarify that Mazzig wrote the column in The Forward first, to give context to why he received criticism from both sides of the political spectrum. I'm unsure of using the term "the right and the left," although it's the same wording that the sources use. If you clarify what exactly he is criticizing, then it will be easier to clarify who is reacting to his criticism.
  • There isn't much information about the protest to his speaking--would it be appropriate to include more details about what the protesters were protesting, exactly? I don't have experience writing about Israeli activists--my best experience with controversial subjects comes from writing about Mormon history. I know that sometimes "anti" publications have a point, and sometimes they're not worth citing. I found this article from Washington University about the protest. Do you think it would be worth citing to explain more of the context surrounding the protest?
  • As for the hooks, they are both backed by sources and are technically accurate. Maybe leaving the first hook a bit vague adds interest to the hook. I approve the first hook. I think the second hook should be reworded to something like
    • ALT2 ... that when Hen Mazzig witnessed the Palestinian suicide bombing of a grandmother and her granddaughter at age twelve, it inspired him to join the Israeli Defense Force?
  • I would like to see more information surrounding the student protest to Mazzig's speech and his article that criticized the settler movement to help readers understand the events better. What do you think? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:24, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


The cities of Charibael and his neighbors in the 1st-century Periplus
The cities of Charibael and his neighbors in the 1st-century Periplus
  • ... that the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea credited the Yemeni king "Charibael" (Karibʾīl) with control of the major ports of the Swahili Coast?
    • ALT1:... that "Charibael" (Karibʾīl)—and not the Roman army—was probably responsible for the destruction of Aden shortly before the composition of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea?
  • Reviewed: Will do "From Dixie with Love".
  • Comment: No, I don't want many other extraneous links in these hooks—just the ones to the page being promoted. Thanks.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 18 February 2019 (UTC).

  • @LlywelynII:, please forgive my propensity to meandering discourse. This category of information interests me greatly, the origins of language and culture interspersed with situational trivia through the eyes of historical historians. I am compelled to attempt reviewing this DYK. And I tried about two nights ago. However I failed after a couple of hours with little to report, but the DYK has languished with no input, so I will explain what stopped me. The first few citations are in foreign languages and in the old day, for the purpose of DYK, an editor in good standing and literacy was to be trusted for minor translations. So I confirmed the names I could, no obvious mistake, and moved on to the Description section.
It says, "He is said to exercise control over..." three or four named towns and villages. So as I went about checking this part, I had to figure out and repair a small error to linking of the Periplus notes section, minor issue but may explain my failure to sufficiently concentrate, so on to the confirmation of sovereignty, he, Schoff, waffles on a bit about the history of royalty in that particular area, relating and supposing lineage and miscalculations in route based on other books, fine. I believed however that he was telling us about the kings which came before Charibael in relation to some of these towns, particularly Muza, that the kingdom was split up before Charibael. Between the notes and the Periplus itself, nothing seemed to say explicitly say he was king of Muza in particular and perhaps one or more of the others. Nine or ten days between ports may represent a thousand miles, so I had to reread and reference and reread and eventually, I failed concentration with little to report except that I don't believe that part is accurate.
I did not study even to the very end of the paragraph yet, however, this subject interests me enough to try again perhaps by tomorrow or after, but it is best I give you the opportunity to review my review, and perhaps even guide me in part if you are familiar enough to since researching the article. I do intend to have another look when it is out of my mind again, perhaps by tomorrow or later.
If any of that was confusing, I intend to attempt a meaningful review of this DYK over the next few days. I am not sure the extent of Charibaels sovereignty, particularly regarding Muza, is accurate to the source. Checking was longer than expected and broke my concentration. I invite you to review that one part and I will hopefully return with a simpler and more complete review during this week. ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 13:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 15[]

Submarine Memorial Chapel

Argonaut's ship's bell
Argonaut's ship's bell

Created/expanded by Bri (talk). Self-nominated at 23:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - I calculate it as only being 1,346 characters of readable prose (excluding headers etc)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - could do with a collaborating source
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg Dan arndt (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: re issues:
  1. I use DYKcheck, it reports 1,746 characters. Could you please double check?
  2. The close-paraphrasing is actually credited use of a public domain USN document, Chapel renews weekly services, which is allowed per WP:PD. The newsletter you found includes a reprint of the same document.
Can these be resolved without alteration to the article? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
In response:
  1. I use the Character Counter, which I find more accurate than DYKcheck and after removing all the headers, reference links, templates, captions etc - I still find that it falls short of the desired length.
  2. In accordance with WP:CLOP editors should generally summarize source material in their own words or ensure the material is clearly attributed in the text.
  3. Also almost all the material could be interpreted as being a primary source, which is why it would be preferable to have independent collaborating sources, particularly for the hook.
Let me know when you've addressed these. Dan arndt (talk) 03:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Bri, while DYKcheck is typically the gold standard at DYK, there's something about the way the USNAVY template's Public Domain declarations are formatted at the bottom of the article that makes DYKcheck think that they're prose when they're not—they should be considered part of the bibliography or referencing, but in any event not prose. Since those two entries come to 417 characters including spacing, your prose count is actually 1329 characters rather than 1500 or more. Best of luck in expanding the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I had to scroll down to see that. Will try to write a bit more ... have just put the February Signpost to bed, so maybe tomorrow. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Expanded the article tonight; we should be over 1900 characters now. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:35, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that article has been significantly expanded. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 18[]

Venetian Renaissance architecture

View of Venice from woodcut, popular guide through the early part of the Renaissance
View of Venice from woodcut, popular guide through the early part of the Renaissance
  • ... that a woodcut by Jacopo de' Barbari was the definitive resource detailing the appearance of the City of Venice for much of the 16th century? Source: I don't have the exact quote, it was the whole of the first page and now google wont let me see it again, sorry, but it was the first thing said in the book, it begins something like, "In 1500, Anton Kolb published a birdseye woodcut of Venice" and goes on about how it was important through the century for at least one page of text

Created by RTG (talk), Created by Theramin (talk). Created by Johnbod (talk) (3 nominations)

  • I do not know how to get the picture to display. It's in the template text here, ~ R.T.G 20:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I formatted it for you. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Yoninah ~ R.T.G 19:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't have a problem with the hook, but "popular guide through the early part of the Renaissance" is dubious. The woodcut is extremely large (Height: 132.7 cm (52.2 ″); Width: 277.5 cm (109.2 ″) - wider than a king-size bed sheet is long) and would have been pretty expensive. In fact the image metadata rightly says "The View was very expensive when published and most examples were probably displayed on walls". And 1500 on is not really "the early part of the Renaissance". Plus it's too long for a DYK caption. I'd just say "de Barbari's Map of Venice, 1500". Johnbod (talk) 00:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
    Printing and map making 500 years ago was not the same thing as it was today. It was a grand work. It took 3 years to complete, as long as Van Goghs whole art career. It was one of the finest works, sometimes claimed as the finest (see what I am getting at), of its kind in the whole world at the time. After completing it, the artist was given a job as a portrait artist for an emperor[17] It represents not only the plan of the city, but the Venetian culture at the time[18] Check out the artwork -->File:Jacopo de' Barbari - View of Venice - alternative.jpg, It doesn't look like much for today but it was a masterpiece in that day. So annoyed that the book will not show me the first page again. I'm sure another hook can be worked but, I suppose I just wanted to plug the map, which will not be considered impressive at a cursory glance, while the impressiveness of the buildings will speak for themselves in modern pictures. 500 years later and in a library that claims 80kms of documents specific to Venice, it remains the definitive source for the Venice of that day. (or start reading here-->) Check out the next best map appearing 1557[19] (looks like a modern day school book drawing, so I think that establishes, but so unfair that it wont show me the first page again when it will give me like a dozen other pages through the book! I was so bored by the first page I swear.) So, I could go on and on about it, but needless to say, the best plug for the subject is to plug the map. It is the only part of the article that will not be understood without explanation. What about, (new reference added)ALT2 "...that Jacopo de Barbaris map Venetie MD, remains a definitive resource on buildings of the Venetian Renaissance...?" ~ R.T.G 11:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
    You should do an article on it. It does in fact look very impressive today - the British Museum print room has one framed on the wall. As I said, personally I have no problem with the hook, just the caption. Johnbod (talk) 15:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Note - the above is not a review I've edited the article, & so won't be reviewing. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
It's still too long, or you'd rather something on the architecture? What about this (I may have to expand but it was definitely in some of the sources), ALT3"...that the Doge's Palace is sometimes argued to have evoked the Rennaissance in architecture...?" Or to that effect but have preceded Italy, which is also interesting, and maybe better I guess. Yeah there might be an article in that map I was impressed with it though it's not modern standards. 3 meters wide and 3 years, all those rooves, it's a real work. Note the factory-esque roof. ~ R.T.G 17:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • A link to View of Venice could be added. But I am not going to fix it up to meet any reviewer's arbitrary comments. Theramin (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Linked at the article anyway - great to see this! It would need more refs for a double DYK nom, but as an unbolded link should be fine. Johnbod (talk) 05:22, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Well done, thanks o/ ~ R.T.G 19:39, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
How about... Alt 4 "...Barbari's View of Venice shows the Doge's Palace in 1500, a fine example of Venetian Gothic architecture, evolving into Renaissance Architecture?" ~ R.T.G 19:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
On Alt 4: Does it show this evolution? The article says that "The Doge's Palace was much rebuilt after fires, but mostly behind the Gothic facades." Do we see much (or anything) behind these facades? I looked in vain for backup elsewhere but was unsuccessful: The article View of Venice says "Doge's Palace is depicted about 50% taller than it should be if it were depicted to scale", suggesting that veracity would be dubious; the article Doge's Palace doesn't seem to mention this "view" at all, though I may have missed something. -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • With the kind agreement of User:RTG, I'm adding myself to the nom, as I've now written most of the text. I'd only mess the template up - perhaps someone who knows how could add me? Probably a new hook suggestion soon, & maybe pic. Johnbod (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Johnbod and User:Theramin added to noms.
Suggesting hook, ALT5 "...it took Jacopo de' Barbari 3 years to describe early Venetian Renaissance architecture in his View of Venice...?" ~ R.T.G 07:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

We need two small easy reviews on this one. We need someone to add a second article to the nomination, View of Venice. We need hooks. Bulb.svg ~ R.T.G 07:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I would love to nominate the View of Venice, with this or on its own, but as is usual with this editor, there are many too few inline cites, though several good sources are given at the bottom. So I don't think it is a runner, unfortunately. Johnbod (talk) 18:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
villa by Palladio
villa by Palladio

Articles created/expanded on February 19[]

Sharda Mehta

  • ... that Sharda Mehta was one of the first two women graduates of modern-day Gujarat state of India? Source: "Sujata, Menon (2013). Sarkar, Siddhartha, ed. "An Historical Analysis of the Economic Impact on the Political Empowerment of Women In British India". International Journal of Afro-Asian Studies. Universal-Publishers. 4 (1): 17–18. ISBN 978-1-61233-709-8. ISSN 0974-3537 Google Books

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 07:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC).

  • The hook is not hooky. Something better, please. WBGconverse 08:34, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Winged Blades of Godric: Well, that was the most trivial/hooky fact I found about her. Can you suggest one? It is difficult but I still suggest one more.-Nizil (talk) 11:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
I actually kind of liked ALT0, but eh. Another possibility could be to combine ALT0 and ALT1:
  • ALT2: ... that Indian social worker Sharda Mehta, one of the first two women graduates of modern-day Gujarat, picketed in front of liquor shops?
With that said, I am not very fond of ALT1: @Nizil Shah: Could you find sources that expand on exactly why she picketed in front of liquor shops? If that can be done, that might work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric and Narutolovehinata5: I could not find direct reason in the sources that say why Sharda Mehta picketed liquor shops. But during the disobedience movement, the protesters picketed liquor shops with the aim of "reducing the evils of drinking as well as preventing the Government from raising income through excise duty on alcoholic drinks." as per these sources:[20][21]. It was the important feature of the disobedience movement and the picketing were frequently led by women. ALT2 combination is OK if you prefer. ALT0 was the best I could find. Any other suggestion is also welcome. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 11:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; the ALT2 hook looks workable, and even if it ultimately is not, the nomination needs a complete review. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:46, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. The article is free of close paraphrasing, the article is adequately sources, is neutral, and well-written. A QPQ has been done. As I proposed ALT2, I will leave the choice of hook to another reviewer; however, the fact about her picketing doesn't have an inline citation. My impression is that it uses the Rajgor reference as a source, but DYK requires hook fact sentences to have an inline citation. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:, thank you for the review. I have added an inline citation as well as a note.-Nizil (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Missed the ping. Every state had it's first or second or third or nth woman graduate. There's nothing unusual or hooky, unless that is contrasted with something. ALT1 is even more non-hooky. Meh about ALT12; we need to realize that all new articles are not DYK stuff as much as every decent article is not GA stuff. WBGconverse 12:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: Are you fine with ALT2, though? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Sl. edited my above statement. Feel free to pass ALT2.WBGconverse 06:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Mark Angel (producer)

  • ... that Mark Angel Comedy is the first African YouTube comedy channel to reach 1 million subscribers? Source: [22]
  • ALT1 ... that Mark Angel produced the first African YouTube comedy channel to reach 1 million subscribers? Source: [23]

Created by KeithTyler (talk). Self-nominated at 23:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Doing... starting review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Page started February 19, and nominated within seven days. Length is adequate, and article is neutral in tone. No plagiarism issues detected. No photo is used. QPQ is not required, as the nominator has no DYK credits. Sourcing needs a bit of work. All paragraphs should end with a citation. Please see "Background" and "Film style' sections. Also in the background section, a citation appears in the middle of the sentence, but not at the end? The birth date needs formatting as well. Please see {{Birth date and age}} for instructions. Because this is a biography, the hook wording should be clear that a bolded link is going to a biography, instead of an article on the channel. I have updated the wording, and posted as ALT1. Hook is cited properly and mentioned inline. Flibirigit (talk) 04:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

  • @Flibirigit: The nominator hasn't edited in over a week and never responded to the comments: in fact, they haven't edited the article in almost a month. Are you still willing to pass this and/or wait for the nominator, or should this be marked for closure? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The nomination is very close to passing. It is best to wait, and hopefully someone will adopt it if the nominator does not return. Flibirigit (talk) 01:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I can adopt this nom. I just owe you a few more refs, right?--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, just a few citations fixes, and the birthdate format. Thanks for adopting. Flibirigit (talk) 03:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
, thanks for the changes you have already made. If no cites can be found for the two citation needed tags, it's okay to remove the sentences in question. Please comment here when finished. Thanks again. Flibirigit (talk) 15:14, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 20[]

Criminal justice financial obligations

Created by Anna Frodesiak (talk) and GreenMeansGo (talk). Nominated by GreenMeansGo (talk) at 13:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewed: Forthcoming
  • The article isn't quite 100% polished yet, but it's already long enough to meet DYK standards, so I'm getting this started before it's no longer new enough. GMGtalk 13:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @GreenMeansGo: This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ is still needed.
Just a comment, - the article is almost entirely about the US. We are more humane in the UK where an offender can expect to leave prison free of debt, with regard to the criminal justice system, any monetary penalties owed having normally been written off. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:58, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes Cwmhiraeth, I badly need to do my QPQ. I got distracted with another project. As to the scope, essentially all of the sources deal primarily with the US as far as I can tell. The explanation for this seems to be that when financial penalties are levied elsewhere many (most?) countries use a system of day fines, which appears to be largely treated as a distinct topic within the literature. It appears to be similar to the fact that many countries have closed access highways but the US in particular has the Interstate Highway System. GMGtalk 19:04, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
It doesn't matter because there is no requirement for DYKs to be comprehensive. Ping me when you have done the QPQ. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 21[]

Czarnik v. Illumina Inc.

  • ... that after the Czarnik v. Illumina Inc. patent law case, if you are an inventor and have been left off the inventors list, legal remedy is available?

Created by AWCzarnik (talk). Nominated by () at 08:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have struck ALT0 as being too unclear for general readers: @AWCzarnik and : Please provide a new hook, thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Please find the new hook for your review -
  • ... that for the first time, in Czarnik v. Illumina Inc., a court has ruled that an inventor has grounds to sue if their name has been left off a U.S. patent?


It might need to be rephrased further, it's still a bit difficult to read. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Sure, please find the new hook for your review -
  • ... that an inventor now has grounds to sue if their name has been left off a U.S. patent, thanks to the court ruling in Czarnik v. Illumina Inc.?
This hook is inaccurate; as a district court decision this is not precedent as the hook implies. Indeed, the article's intro says this has created a split among district courts that has yet to be resolved. Daniel Case (talk) 05:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Blue and White (political alliance)

Created by Bellezzasolo (talk). Self-nominated at 13:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The newness of the party has some potential, but I don't think being a new party by itself is a good enough hook for DYK. @Bellezzasolo: Could you propose something else here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Can I make a suggestion? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 15:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

  • ALT3:... that the leaders of Israel's Blue and White alliance have agreed to rotate the office of prime minister if elected?
That sounds better, I will approve it if Bellezzasolo doesn't object. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I was about to give this a full review, but I noticed that the article has a citation needed tag: @Bellezzasolo: Can this be addressed so that this can proceed? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Sorted. Bellezzasolo Discuss 19:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Bellezzasolo: There is still no reference for the position of Yesh Atid in the table. I'm aware the fact is in the article for the party itself, but still. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, That should be solved now. Bellezzasolo Discuss 14:43, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
There's one more sentence that needs to be sourced, about one of the parties and the number of seats they won. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 22[]

Jeff Davis (racing driver)

Created by ZappaOMatic (talk). Self-nominated at 05:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Newly created article, long enough, well sourced, neutrally written. Regarding the hook, the article says Davis used his own car and says Melling had sponsorship issues, but doesn't say Melling couldn't afford their own car, so please clarify that in the text. And provide QPQ. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Muboshgu: QPQ provided. As for the hook, after re-reading the source a few times, looks like Melling not being able to afford to field the car was an error on my part. As such, how about one of these alts? ZappaMatic 22:00, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that when Jeff Davis ran a NASCAR race for Melling Racing, he used his own car rather than Melling's main equipment as the team was skipping the race due to sponsorship issues?
  • ALT2: ... that due to sponsorship issues, NASCAR team Melling Racing hired Jeff Davis to run a race for the team using his own car?

Articles created/expanded on February 23[]

Kiritsugu Emiya

  • ... that Kiritsugu Emiya was created to be the protagonist of Fate/Zero to have one of the most tragic stories in the series? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that Kiritsugu Emiya's final line before his death in a flashback from Fate/stay Night was emotional to the staff? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Tintor2 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:23, 23 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Commenting here after the nominator left me a talk page, since he's not very experienced with DYK. Tintor2 DYK rules require that hooks regarding fiction (i.e. hooks about stories, their characters, their settings, etc.) should involve the real world instead of fully focusing on in-universe information. Meaning, a hook that only discusses what happens in the story is generally not allowed, rather, that it should involve something in real life. For example, a hook saying "... that Pikachu was Ash Ketchum's first Pokémon?" is not acceptable, but "... that a protein has been named after Pikachu?" is acceptable. Just as advise. In any case, I personally do not find either ALT0 or ALT1 as interesting to a broad audience (meaning it might appeal to fans of the Fate franchise, but no much everyone else). I'm willing to give you more advice or give this a full review, if you wish. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks. The original and the alt I provided involve real world people. The first one involves how writer Gen Urobuchi wants to write him while the second comes from Rikiya Koyama's performance which surprised the anime staff. By any chance did you mistake and thought it was in-universe? You think the two nominations should be reworded?Tintor2 (talk) 23:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
How about? ALT2: ... that Kiritsugu Emiya was written by Gen Urobuchi to make his life tragic while acting as a prequel for Fate/stay Night? Source: Urobuchi, Gen; Takeuchi, Takashi (2005). Fate/Zero. 1. Type-Moon. pp. 234–236.CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link)
Or ALT3: ... that Kiritsugu's dying line from the anime Fate/stay Night by Rikiya Koyama surprised the staff and the actor himself for the emotional tone it brought? Source: TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm. Type Moon. p. 174.
Matthew Mercer also had similar comments in regards to his last line as Kiritsugu too. Maybe that's also notable.Tintor2 (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that more hooks have been proposed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Ramesh Sumant Mehta

  • ... that Ramesh Sumant Mehta was the first chairman of the pollution control board of Gujarat state of India?Source: Parikh, Dinesh (January 2002). Thaker, Dhirubhai, ed. ગુજરાતી વિશ્વકોશ [Gujarati Encyclopedia] (in Gujarati). XV (1st ed.). Ahmedabad: Gujarat Vishvakosh Trust. pp. 527–528.

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 07:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can a better hook be proposed here? It's just not very interesting, to be honest. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:37, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: It was difficult to find a good hook. Let me try with another one. Feel free to propose new hook.-Nizil (talk) 05:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that new hook has been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article meets the general DYK article requirements and is free of close paraphrasing. ALT1 is interesting and cited to an offline source. This will be good to go once a QPQ is done. @Nizil Shah: Just a clarification though: is that municipal drainage system still the largest in India, or was it only at the time of his tenure? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5:, thanks for the review. QPQ added. I could not find which is the largest municipal drainage system in India now but assume that Delhi had the largest at the time of his tenure. Should we reword the hook?-Nizil (talk) 04:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the hook could be reworded. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


Created by Horsegeek (talk). Self-nominated at 18:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 24[]

View of Venice

View of Venice represents artistic culture as well as a map
View of Venice represents artistic culture as well as a map
  • ... that 1500AD View of Venice is "an achievement of astonishing visual and intellectual control" ...? Source: "the View remains an achievement of astonishing visual and intellectual control, demainding incredible patience and a notable ability to visualize forms from inaccessible viewpoints." (and [24] the source)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: This article is older than 7 days. It was proposed as part of another DYK and languished so requesting an oversight on that basis to encourage further expansion of an interesting historical topic.
  • Reviewed:Template:Did you know nominations/Nickey Barclay

Created/expanded by Theramin (talk). Nominated by RTG (talk) at 13:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

Symbol delete vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough but ... it is nowhere near ready for primetime. Much of it is uncited; the list of references at the end is ... well, it gives me wikiflashbacks to 2006 or so when that sort of thing was acceptable. Daniel Case (talk) 05:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
lol, received and on todo for today or tomorrow. ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 08:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Daniel Case: Several of the resources are behind paywalls so I could not cite the whole article at this time. Apologies, ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 22:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

La Région Centrale

  • Reviewed: TBD

5x expanded by (talk). Self-nominated at 21:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The nomination was done several days late, but since we have a short backlog, I'll let this slide. The expansion was from 368 bytes to 3343 bytes of prose size, which is more than 5X expansion. The article is long enough, neutral and appropriately sourced. The Earwig tool detected no copyright violations. The hook is short and broadly interesting, cited to an offline source in the article, but I was able to verify it with the Art Canada Institute source provided. Will be ready once the QPQ is done. feminist (talk) 11:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Mayan Train

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: I plan to expand this article further, so it may change between the time of nomination and reaching the queue.

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Per DYK review list. ~ R.T.G 07:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Stalled. @SounderBruce: (OP) doesn't agree with an edit I made to qualify the article. (I did not find the reference to freight and I did not find the name Ferrosur in any of the cited articles). These are basic facts in the article. Verifying them is part of the DYK review. It's not an opinion. There is a list linked from the top of the nomination page. I'll be back later to remove the tick I supposed, however, brought to talk page of Mayan Train, apologies. ~ R.T.G 08:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
The lack of QPQ should have disqualified this nomination from getting the immediate green tick in the fist place. Ferrosur is referred to as "ferrocarril del Sureste" by Reference 4, and freight (or cargo) is mentioned in both El Universal references. Please double-check and assume good faith. SounderBruce 08:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I haven't done this since a few years, apologies. ~ R.T.G 08:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg QPQ required, ~ R.T.G 11:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 26[]

Provisional Cavalry

A Provisional Cavalry officer
A Provisional Cavalry officer
  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 08:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Solid article on good sources, and, no I didn't know any of it ;) - Offline source accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and if it's taken we can drop "18th century" because it shows, - but it's a bit pale. I am not enthusiastic about the hooks. How many of our readers will even know what feudal system means, nor be attracted. (The other day, they really expalined that Arabella is "an opera composed".) How about how unliked and inefficient it was, or mention hussar methods? Mention "Yeonmanry"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

1 the Road

  • ... that artificial intelligences have have begun to write novels...? Source: "On March 25, 2017, a black Cadillac with a white-domed surveillance camera attached to its trunk departed Brooklyn for New Orleans. An old GPS unit was fastened atop the roof. Inside, a microphone dangled from the ceiling. Wires from all three devices fed into Ross Goodwin’s Razer Blade laptop, itself hooked up to a humble receipt printer. This, Goodwin hoped, was the apparatus that was going to produce the next American road-trip novel." (and link the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that at nine seventeen in the morning, the house was heavy...? Source: It is a partial quote of the AIs first words "The novel begins suitably enough, quoting the time: “It was nine seventeen in the morning, and the house was heavy.”" (and link the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by RTG (talk). Self-nominated at 06:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, within policy, and the hook meets the hook criteria. Good to go. In my personal opinion, however (@RTG: this is more food for thought if anything) that the premise of the article is interesting enough as it is (the first book to be written by AI!) that it doesn't really need a super quirky hook like ALT1 to capture the reader's attention, and the primary hook might be a tad confusing as readers may think that it's an article talking about AIs writing novels in general when it's instead about a specific novel. I personally think something super simple like ALT2: "...that 1 the Road is marketed as the first novel to be written by an artificial intelligence?" would work best, but again, that's up to you Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 10:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes the primary is clunky. ~ R.T.G 11:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 22:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 27[]

Six Motets, Op. 82 (Kiel)

Friedrich Kiel
Friedrich Kiel

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:54, 6 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can another hook be proposed here? I'm afraid that it might be a bit too technical for people unfamiliar with classical music. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Suggest something, - off for vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately I am currently unable to suggest alternative wording, as I can't seem to glean from anything that's in the article right now. @Yoninah and BlueMoonset: Any possible suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Giving this a stab: the hook below is a rephrasing of the original, to make it less technical and easier to read. I'm not sure if it's interesting enough to a broad audience and personally I don't find it too catchy, but for now it seems to be the best option forward.
ALT1 ... that Friedrich Kiel (pictured) set Psalm 130 and other psalms for choir a cappella in his composition Six Motets, Op. 82?
@Gerda Arendt: Are you fine with this suggestion? Because I took a look at the article and there doesn't seem to be much else that could work as a hook. The only other suggestion I can think of is how the work apparently focused on the dark themes of the psalms, but I'm not sure if that's hooky enough for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Do you expect people to know by the number that Psalm 130 is a call from out of the depths? - I am on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I removed the title because I didn't see it necessary to mention it in the hook, I will add it back if you think that it is needed. I will wait for your return and see what we can do from here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
I believe the title is the one untechnical thing. Other titles mention "tears", "valley of death" and being forgotten, setting a mood. "Motet" is so awfully general. Will be back on Wednesday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, back, I expanded a bit. I could add more, getting from a footnote that the motet highlighted is the only one performed in Vienna in the 1880s, also that he set it first as Op. 29. I'd prefer to stay with the hook we have, - the text must have been dear to him. - We might say that two choices of text are like those by Brahms in is famous Requiem, but what would that say about Kiel? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm very sorry Gerda but I didn't really understand what you were trying to say in that comment: can you please explain in simpler terms? I am not very well-versed in classical music so when explanations are too technical, I find it difficult to understand. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a footnote in the thesis, saying that Psalm 130 from the six was one of few works by Kiel performed in concert in Vienna after Kiel's death. Does that help (to explain that it is worth mentioning that particular one of the six)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Not really I'm afraid. And besides, the thing being discussed here is the hook wording, not the article content. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
That much I understood, so ofered to add content in order to write a new hook based on it. Your answer is : not really, in which case I won't bother. How is this then (although I really love to begin with the bolded thing):
ALT2: ... that "Aus der Tiefe rufe ich" (Out of the depths have I cried) is one of six 1993 psalm settings Six Motets, Op. 82, by Friedrich Kiel (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Eleanor Barrow Chase

Created by Jwrosenzweig (talk). Self-nominated at 04:36, 6 March 2019 (UTC).

When the Moon Was Full

Iranian drama movie which is about terrorism
Iranian drama movie which is about terrorism

5x expanded by Forest90 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, adequately referenced. I did a thorough copyedit on the article to bring it up to English grammar standards, but it is still confusing to me. The two brothers have nearly identical names, and I wonder if one is being named in the article when it should be the other? We have articles on Abdolmalek Rigi and Abdolhamid Rigi. Please check my editing.
you edited correctly and use the brother names at correct places.Forest90 (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
  • As it currently stands, the article is top-heavy on plot and awards. The Production and Reception sections need to be expanded. The quote from the producer doesn't read like English. It's unclear why the Aftermath section even belongs in this article about a film. The image posted with this nomination doesn't appear in the article per WP:DYK#Images.
I don't have any suitable sources for expanding The Production and Reception sections. The quote from the producer wasn't in the English language, a website translated the producer quote to English only. The only existing film aftermath was that incident which mentioned section. And I think you deleted the Article Image instead DYK Image. Forest90 (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Regarding the hook, Encyclopedia standard is to say "film" rather than "movie". I think that once you add a little more detail to the article, you will find material for a better hook. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, ThanksForest90 (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Virgin and Child (Sirani)

Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi JeBonSer - the DYK check states this article isn't long enough - It's only 1449 characters in length. The prose for the most part isn't inline cited. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately, this article has some very severe issues. The first is that the entire "Description" section is uncited, and its prose is highly problematic: ungrammatical, repetitive, and reads as if it were pieced together from various sources without regard to whether the sentences are workable. The entire "Legacy" section was copied directly from the Elisabetta Sirani article without credit, which is against Encyclopedia rules—see copying within Encyclopedia for what must be done when copying material from another article. Also, the description sourcing must be supplied and its prose greatly improved if this nomination is to succeed. Here's an improved phrasing for the hook:

Articles created/expanded on February 28[]

Articles created/expanded on March 1[]

Harry Lindblad

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. It's neutral and well-referenced with what appear to be RSs. AGF on the Finnish language sources. Pic in article has fair use rationale. QPQ done. Did some light copy-editing of the article. No copy-vios or close paraphrasing detected. Hook is correctly formatted but too wordy and probably doesn't need the second fact about the ice rink. It is also unsupported by the article as he was vice-president in 1952 which seems a weaker hook. Additionally, the ice rink fact does not have a reference in the article immediately after the relevant sentence. Can the nominator please propose an alternative hook? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I should get around to this by March 11. Sorry for the delay. Flibirigit (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I have rearranged the article to separate accomplishents while vice-president, then president, then later life. Hopefully it is more clear this way. A newer hook is below. Flibirigit (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Only the first of the championships is directly attributed by the sources to him, although he was clearly closely involved in the second. Also the creation of the Elite league is not attributed by the source to him. What about just saying that he was responsible for bringing the world hockey championship to Finland? (P.S. I see you have reverted the structure to having a biography section within an article that is a biography. It won't stop be ticking it but it does strike me as redundant.) Philafrenzy (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 2[]

Mein Kampf in English

  • ... that Stackpole books sold 12,000 copies of Mein Kampf in English before being ordered to stop? Source: "During the short period it was in print from February 28 - June 9, 1939 Stackpole had managed to sell 12,000 copies of its translation." (and [Mein_Kampf_in_English#Stackpole_translation_and_controversy] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Bellerophon5685 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: James Murphy's translation hit the bookstores March 20, 1939. Perhaps this would make a good March 20 article?

Marianne Williamson 2020 presidential campaign

Marianne Williamson in 2019
Marianne Williamson in 2019
  • Reviewed: Tom Cade
  • Comment: I personally think the main hook on its own is already interesting, since it's probably news to a lot of people, but I also find both alt hooks interesting – perhaps with a slight preference for alt1 over alt2.

Converted from a redirect by Mélencron (talk). Self-nominated at 00:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 3[]

Celebration of the Greek Revolution

  • Reviewed: Xing Shizhong
  • Comment: I came across this article when New Page Patrolling and thought it would be nice to have it at DYK on the day in question, the 25th March. It is of course way out of time but then, I have only just come across it!

Created by Antondimak (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 12:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is long enough for DYK, and while nominated late, given the circumstances, this is accepted per IAR and DYKSG#D9. A QPQ has been performed, and I didn't find any copyright issues. The hook is cited inline, and I am assuming good faith for the sources in Greek. There are however a number of issues with the article that prevent me from passing this right now: some end-of-paragraph sentences lack a footnote, and many references give a "Check date values in: date=" error. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:45, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Denn er hat seinen Engeln befohlen

Felix Mendelssohn in 1846
Felix Mendelssohn in 1846

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC).

Nydia Blas

  • ... that Nydia Blas was inspired to become a photographer by the use of photographs by anti-lynching activists? Source: "...these photographs were then appropriated by the Anti Lynching Movement to show the atrocities of these extralegal acts. I have always been intrigued by photography’s ability to work in this way: to speak back, to sway public opinion and to resist." ([26])
    • ALT1:... that photographer Nydia Blas created a photo series targeted at allowing young black women to reclaim their bodies and identities? Source: "Nydia Blas’ photographs are inspired by the relationships she creates within her community, possessing the desire for her subjects to reclaim their identities and their bodies" ([27])

Created by Enwebb (talk). Self-nominated at 04:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC).

The Immaculate Conception of Los Venerables

Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 04:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC).

  • The information in the article does not have inline citations;
  • The text requires a bit of work also:
  • there are constructions such as "commissioned to" that are not used in English
  • the "History" section is one very long sentence
  • I cannot understand the passage: "since in Spain it had spread extraordinarily since 16th century the devotion for the Immaculate Conception of Mary, being also said country the main defender of the mystery and the one that fought with greater insistence until it became one of the dogmas of the Catholic Faith, although it would not officially occur until the year 1854."
  • The "Description" section at times refers to the Virgin Mary in the masculine ("his feet ... his eyes")
  • I think a more intriguing hook is required. It is not interesting that a painting is hanging in a particular gallery
More than happy to take another look at this one if the above is addressed. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 12:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
  • The article, at 1146 prose characters, is too short for DYK. The minimum is 1500 prose characters, so the article needs significant expansion. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 4[]

Werner Schneyder

Werner Schneyder in 2012
Werner Schneyder in 2012
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: our hook size is not compatible with him who described himself as allround amateur

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Full review to follow, but what do you think of the following ALT?
Looking at the article, it seems that he did both singing and sports commentating, but that contrast in careers might be more interesting to general audiences than performing cabarets alone. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
He was legendary in Kabarett, - is that different from cabaret? Should we change links? Sports was rather "also", therefore I won't go for ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure: as I mentioned before I am not very familiar with classical music, so I can't help out much on that end. With that said, you mentioned that you found that it would be difficult to emphasize his many careers in a hook. How about this suggestion then?
ALT2 ... that cabaret singer Werner Schneyder (pictured) also worked as a journalist, writer, actor, stage director, television presenter and sports reporter?
Readers might find it interesting that he had several careers, at least. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I found that interesting, therefore I made the original hook, with a focus on two pinnacles, rather than a multitude. - Can you tell me if we should prefer to link to Kabarett? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Not really sure but considering the lede only talks about cabaret, I suggest that the hook reflects that (meaning just stick to cabaret). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
For expanding the lead, I need to know if I should better link to Kabarett, implaying political satire, nit just entertainment. I thought cabaret is just a translation, but it seems to have a different meaning. Nothing about him has connection to classical music ;) - Happy Bach's birthday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
ps: do we have rules now which request that a hook fact has to be in the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 5[]

Mädchenkantorei Limburg

Limburg Cathedral
Limburg Cathedral
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:14, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg A neat little article which is well written and fully sourced. I've made some stylistic tweaks and added a reference for the final sentence. I've also tweaked the hook slightly at ALT1 so that it flows better. Just needs a QPQ, then I'm happy to give it the green light. Bermicourt (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I reviewed now: Template:Did you know nominations/Coccothrinax jimenezii. Thank you for the review. How is it the other way round, dropping "sacred" which is kind of redundant to "cathedral":
ALT2: ... that the girls of the Mädchenkantorei Limburg performed exclusively contemporary choral music in a 2019 concert at the Limburg Cathedral (pictured), joined with a women's choir? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 6[]

C. W. Stephens

Harrods, c. 1905
Harrods, c. 1905
  • ... that C. W. Stephens was the architect of Harrods (pictured), Harvey Nichols, and Claridge's? Source: "In the 1890s Stephens was very active with big commercial projects – Harvey Nichols (1894) in Knightsbridge and Claridge's Hotel (1894-1898) in Mayfair ... Stephens became architect of Harrods from 1892 until his death" [29]

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 00:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. My only quibble is that he does not seem to have actually designed Harrods building (rebuilt after being burned down in 1883), only taken over as its architect in 1892. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Sicut cervus (Palestrina)

  • ... that the motet Sicut cervus by Palestrina, suitable for Holy Saturday, has been described as the expression of "serene but fervent spiritual yearning"? Source: [30]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 7[]

Carrie Langston Hughes

Created by De Pisan (talk). Self-nominated at 00:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC).

Rob Morrison (scientist)

Moved to mainspace by Gronk Oz (talk). Self-nominated at 14:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC).

Tsutomu Kawabuchi

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

The Shepherd King

  • ... that the 1923 film The Shepherd King about the Biblical David has an opening scene in Egypt because of King Tut? Source: "What made such an addition all the more attractive was the 'Egytomania' which had swept across Europa and America in the wake of Howard Carter's discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun at the beginning of November 1922." -Shepherd, David J. (2013). The Bible on Silent Film: Spectacle, Story, and Scripture in the Early Cinema. Cambridge University Press. p.209
    • ALT1:... that during production of the 1923 film The Shepherd King, British soldiers in Jerusalem dressed as Arabs to avoid religious violence? Source: [31]

5x expanded by Squeamish Ossifrage (talk). Self-nominated at 22:17, 7 March 2019 (UTC).

Fiona Peever

  • Reviewed: Jörg Streli
  • Comment: (1) I am away from my PC, 8–-10 March, but will respond to questions on my return. (Update: I'm back!) (2) This biography was written in response to the Women in Red movement, however Fiona Peever works in collaboration with her husband at Lettering and Sculpture Limited - they work so much in collaboration that I cannot find any independent works by her (they probably exist but are not differentiated from collaborative works). Thus I had to create her biography plus a separate article about Lettering and Sculpture Limited, such that the two articles are really interdependent. In all fairness we really need an article about her partner Alec Peever as well, but I am leaving it up to others to do that. An alternative approach would have been to write a single article about the two sculptors and the studio, but that would deny Fiona the chance of being considered as an individual artist in her own right. Please excuse the long explanation, but it has been a difficult process to get this right. (3) Might the hook be considered for 1 April? I have not included an image because the hook seems more mysterious without it.

Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 19:07, 7 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 8[]

Alan Stewart Orr

  • ... that Mr Justice Orr granted George Blake's wife a decree nisi for divorce on the grounds that a conviction for treason can amount to cruelty?
    Source: Roger Hermiston, The Greatest Traitor: The Secret Lives of Agent George Blake (Aurum Press, 2013), p. 237: "On 18 March news arrived, through the columns of The Times, that the divorce had finally been granted in his absence. The newspaper reported that Gillian had been granted a decree nisi because of Blake's 'cruelty'. Mr Justice Orr had made his judgement guided by a case heard in 1956 in which it had been ruled that 'conviction of a spouse for treasonable conduct may amount to cruelty or constructive desertion'".

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC).

Helen Brownlee

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 9[]

List of black quarterbacks

Fritz Pollard became the first black quarterback in the NFL in 1923
Fritz Pollard became the first black quarterback in the NFL in 1923
  • ... that black quarterbacks have been historically excluded from professional football because of a perceived lack of intelligence and other racial stereotypes? Washington Post, "In pro football’s portion of the civil rights struggle, the last positions to be desegregated were center, middle linebacker and quarterback. Those three spots, not coincidentally, required the greatest intellectual acumen, because they involved calling the blocking assignments (center), defensive alignment (middle linebacker) and the entire offense (quarterback). In the late 1960s, white supremacist perceptions still kept blacks from quarterbacking an NFL team. No black player could possibly be smart enough, have the required strength of character or possibly give orders to white teammates."; ESPN, "While nearly 70 percent of players in the NFL are black, they currently make up 25 percent of the league's 32 starting quarterbacks, a slight uptick from recent years. There are a number of reasons for this disparity, ranging from socioeconomic forces to stereotypes about who should play the role. Many gifted young black quarterbacks are encouraged to switch positions-some in high school, and others-as may be the case with Louisville's Lamar Jackson-as a prerequisite for playing in the NFL. They're also compared with one another when they have little in common (take, for example, the notion that EJ Manuel, hardly a prolific rusher, is "the same" as [Tyrod] Taylor) and are often described as leaning on their athletic gifts or being unable to read defenses. This spring new research from the University of Colorado found that people were more likely to believe a white quarterback was smarter than a black quarterback, even when cues were offered that both were exceptionally intelligent. Taylor recently told The Buffalo News that he believes he's criticized in a different manner because of his race. "It's always going to be twice as bad just because of who I am -- an African-American quarterback.' 'A lot of us aren't viewed as passers -- we're viewed as athletes,' says [Michael] Vick, who mentored Taylor, his fellow Virginia Tech alum. 'I think it's unfair and unfortunate.'"; Deadspin magazine, "Even after integration, there were still few blacks in the league. ... It was always thought that blacks couldn't be quarterbacks, that they lacked the intelligence and charisma to lead a team. So most black quarterbacks, even the ones who excelled in high school and college, had to switch positions in the NFL, or else escape north to play in Canada. ... Only a few black quarterbacks had ever even seen NFL action to that point [1987]. None had ever led his team to a Super Bowl. ... And so Warren Moon went undrafted in the 1978 NFL draft, packed his bags, and took his talents to the CFL, like so many black quarterbacks the NFL had turned down."; The Undefeated magazine, "Since the first black quarterback was allowed to play in the NFL, he’s been told he couldn’t be counted on. ... Black quarterbacks, so they’re told by critics, aren’t intelligent enough to play the position. They can’t read defenses or keep their composure in the pocket; their skills don’t “translate” from college to the pros. From Pop Warner to college, these quarterbacks — even Moon, as he was coming out of Washington — are told to switch to the skill positions of running back, wide receiver and defensive back. It’s where their 'natural athleticism' is better suited."
    • ALT1:... that quarterback was among the last positions in American football to be desegregated? Washington Post, "In pro football’s portion of the civil rights struggle, the last positions to be desegregated were center, middle linebacker and quarterback."
    • ALT2:... that black quarterbacks are twice as likely to be "benched" as white quarterbacks, even accounting for age, experience, and other variables? Source: Journal of Sports Economics, "When controlling for injury, age, experience, performance, team investment, backup quality, and bye weeks, Black quarterbacks are found to be 1.98–2.46 times more likely to be benched."
    • ALT3:... that black quarterbacks' success is more likely to be attributed to physical prowess, while white quarterbacks' success is more likely to be attributed to mental prowess? The Undefeated magazine, "Black quarterback success is more likely attributed to superior athletic skill by football broadcasters, research has shown, while white quarterbacks are deemed successful more because of their intellect."; Howard Journal of Communications, "Black quarterbacks were primarily described with words and phrases that emphasized their physical gifts and their lack of mental prowess. Conversely, White quarterbacks were described as less physically gifted, but more mentally prepared for the game and less likely to make mental errors."
    • ALT4:... that it wasn't until 2017 that all 32 NFL teams had started at least one black quarterback? Source: Sports Illustrated, "It took until 2017 but all 32 NFL teams will finally have a black starting quarterback."
    • ALT5:... in 2017, almost 70% of NFL players, but only 25% of starting quarterbacks, were black? Source: ESPN, "While nearly 70 percent of players in the NFL are black, they currently make up 25 percent of the league's 32 starting quarterbacks, a slight uptick from recent years."
  • Reviewed: This is my third DYK; I will QPQ at 5.
  • Comment: Thank you for taking the time to review!

Created by Levivich (talk). Self-nominated at 21:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Roger B. Chaffee

Roger B. Chaffee
Roger B. Chaffee
  • ... that when Roger B. Chaffee was selected for Apollo 1, he was the youngest American astronaut to earn a NASA mission assignment?
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created/expanded by Kees08 (talk). Nominated by (talk) at 18:23, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg article became FA on March 9. Long enough, reads neutral. Earwig's shows some higher %s, but there's a lot of wording like titles and phrasing that would be difficult to word other ways. [32]
Looks great to me! Hook is interesting, and it would be great to include the photo.
My only hesitation is whether the rename discussion should be closed before promoting to DYK on the front page. = paul2520 (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Episode 8052

  • Reviewed: I.O.U.
  • Comment: Feel free to tweak the hook(s), or suggest another.

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Of the hooks proposed, I think the only option moving forward is ALT2, but I'm not fond of its current state, since it seems to assume the reader is familiar with Neighbours (and I doubt most of our non-Australian readers do). Why not try focusing on the death of the character being due to the budget cuts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:17, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll see what I can do. I disagree with your statement about non-Australian readers being unfamiliar with Neighbours though. I'm British and the show has a bigger following in the UK than Australia. It has been broadcast in over 60 countries, and with actors such as Margot Robbie going on to have big success in the film industry, there are more non-Australians aware of it than you think. - JuneGloom07 Talk 18:45, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Ronas Voe

The Hollanders' Graves
The Hollanders' Graves
  • ... that the Dutch East India ship the Wapen van Rotterdam was captured in Ronas Voe, Shetland by three English men-of-war in February 1674 in the Battle of Ronas Voe? Source: "It was there that, in 1674, the Dutch East India ship was captured by three English men of-war....." [33]
    • ALT1:... that the Hollanders' Graves in Ronas Voe, Shetland mark the site where an unknown number of crew of the Wapen van Rotterdam were killed in the Battle of Ronas Voe? Source: "A mass burial took place near Heylor in 1674, when an unknown number of the crew of the Wapen van Rotterdam, a 1,000 ton ship with 60 guns belonging to the Dutch East India Company, were killed in action during the Third Anglo-Dutch war." [34]
  • Comment: The image listed may only be relevant with the ALT1 hook.

Created by Griceylipper (talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

Bandaru Dattatreya

Dattatreya in 2017
Dattatreya in 2017

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 10 March 2019 (UTC).

Susan Montgomery Williams

Though not the brand Susan used, the colors remain visually appealing
Though not the brand Susan used, the colors remain visually appealing
  • ... that Susan Montgomery Williams was not only the world record holder in blowing the largest bubble gum bubble, she was arrested at least three times for making "sound explosions" with the gum and while popping in the courtroom one day, the bailiff mistook the sound for a gun? Source: "Susan Montgomery Williams, 47, had TV fame from bubble-blowing". Press Telegram. 2008-10-08. Retrieved 2019-03-09.
    • ALT1:... that you can get arrested for making "sound explosions" with bubble gum as world-bubble-blowing champ Susan Montgomery Williams discovered during her career?
  • Comment: Please include this dyk in the April Fool's edition.

Created by Barbara Page (WVS) (). Nominated by Barbara (WVS) (talk) at 19:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: neither hook sounds suitable for April Fools methinks. ALT0 is too long, and ALT1 has possible BLP implications. Please suggest alternative hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
There's not BLP issue since subject's been dead 10+ years. EEng 01:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't see any value, really, in a joint nomination, and neither of the proposed hooks is April Fools material because they have no "fooling" quality and could run any day of the year. There may be some AFD potential in
ALT2 ... that champion bubblegum-blower Susan Montgomery Williams died when her aneurysm popped?
but honestly, even that one could run any day in the "quirky" slot. EEng 01:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Mahendra Nath Pandey

Mahendra Nath Pandey in 2017
Mahendra Nath Pandey in 2017

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: According to the guidelines of DYK, hooks that focus on negative aspects of the subject must be avoided. Well, I am aware of it. But in this case, getting imprisoned during the emergency is not something "negative". Emergency is a period during which, civil rights were curbed amongst others. All those people who protested, who were imprisoned during this period are considered as "heroes" in India. So, imprisonment during emergency is not similar to imprisonment due to rape/loot/murder etc.
  • 1. Size check: Before expansion - 121 words. After expansion 379 words. This is not a 5x expansion. Please check and clarify.
5x character expansion and not word expansion. DYK tool shows "article is at 5x now". RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
So on checking character expansion - Before - 121 words (Characters no spaces = 618) (Characters with spaces 731). After - 379 words (Characters no spaces = 1992) (Characters with spaces 2363). This is not 5x expansion even considering character count. Yes, the DYK tool shows "article is at 5x now" but is the DYK tool 100% accurate? Why am I getting different values? Why not just increase the article so as to make sure even on manual expansion the character expansion is correct? Maybe this difference could be because it is counting the date of 5x expansion from 9 March and not 2 March. If we have to consider 7 days from 9 March would 2nd March be included? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 12:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Encyclopedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines#Supplementary article length rules - Character count includes spaces and excludes lists, tables etc. The most recent version ahead of expansion is this. It has 415 charatcers. The current version has 2293 characters. The ratio is 5.525. The tool User:Dr pda/prosesize.js also confirms the same. Also 2nd March is included. You can check here, the current active nominations run from 10 to 17 march (a difference of 7). RRD (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 2. Spot copyvio check: Fine.
  • 3. It would be nice, if not required, to explain why he was imprisoned and when since the DYK is emphasizing this. The article only says "Pandey spent five months in prison during The Emergency." You have explained something in your comment, but the article of Mahendra Nath Pandey doesn't mention this, and we can't assume everyone knows this.
That is not given in the source. Also other sources say the same. RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes. This is what I mean too. Aren't there any other "older sources" about him describing his experience of the emergency? Or atleast add a note about it on the page for the line related to the emergency with a note with sources saying that "getting imprisoned during the emergency is not something "negative"" as you have mentioned in your comment. You are telling me this, but we can't assume the readers know this. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 12:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
No. Sources only say that he was imprisoned during the emergency. Such a note in the main article is not required as it would bring bias in the article. Also emergency is linked in the article. RRD (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 4. Why does the hook have to say he is 'BJP MP'? Why not just 'Indian MP'? I have no objections really to this, but since Encyclopedia caters to an international audience, wouldn't "Indian MP" be better?
Ok. I have no problem in the change. RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 5. The DYK has an image, but "(pictured)" has not been added to the DYK text. Also the caption of the image is currently "Pandey in 2015". I think it would be better just to have his name "Mahendra Nath Pandey" in the caption.
Done.RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 6. The image of Mahendra Nath Pandey is just about ok according to DYK criteria "Consider the quality of the image, and its clarity at 100 by 100 pixels, the size at which DYK images appear on the Main Page." But there are more images of him in Encyclopedia commons which can be considered and which are of higher resolution.
Done. RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 7. "He belongs to Bharatiya Janata Party".... belongs sounds weird. This sentence should be copy-edited and rephrased.
Done. @DiplomatTesterMan:. RRD (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 18:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@DiplomatTesterMan: RRD (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg In good faith I will say that all the issues related to this DYK have been sorted out from my side, apart from point number 3. I request a new reviewer to go through it. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 10[]

Minnesota History (journal)

Moved to mainspace by Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self-nominated at 02:44, 13 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A better hook probably needs to be proposed here as, even as someone who is interested in academic research myself, this is rather bland. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Titania McGrath

  • Reviewed: Soultaker (film)
  • Comment: I probably won't be able to respond to any comments until next Sunday

Created by MikeOwen (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 11[]

Melitta Muszely

  • ... that the soprano Melitta Muszely appeared as the four women Hoffmann loves in the legendary Felsenstein 1958 production and its later DEFA film, and sang recitals up tp 2008? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Sorry, I discovered the article only today, due to vacation. I hope that can be forgiven in women's month?

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 19:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Lady Ponce

Lady Ponce
Lady Ponce

Created by Toreightyone (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that spoon worms are soft-bodied animals with a proboscis which can be rolled into a scoop-shape to feed?
    • ALT1:... that in the 1970s spoon worms helped promote biodiversity around the effluent outlets from the Los Angeles sewage system? Source: "The echiurans' burrowing, respiratory, and feeding activities aerated and reworked sediments, and thus reduced wastewater impacts on the ocean bottom, enabling a diverse fauna to develop in the outfall region."

Improved to Good Article status by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Me Too (Meghan Trainor song)

  • that Meghan Trainor removed the music video for her song "Me Too" due to unapproved photo manipulation of her body?

Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC).

MLS Cup 1996

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: Article is still being expanded, so things are a bit fluid.

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

Shadow the Hedgehog

  • Comment: Feel free to suggest alt hooks

Improved to Good Article status by TheJoebro64 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:38, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

Marwan I

  • ... that during his less than year-long reign in 684/85, Caliph Marwan I reestablished Umayyad authority in Syria and Egypt after it had collapsed across the caliphate the year before? Source: "Marwan was now able to consolidate his position in Syria and Palestine. His short reign was filled with military activity, beginning with the expulsion of the Zubayrid governor ... from Egypt", offline source—Bosworth 1991, p. 622.
    • ALT1:.
  • Reviewed: Pending

Improved to Good Article status by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 11 March 2019 (UTC).

Deep Earth water cycle

  • ... that recent research has shown the presence of a deep Earth water cycle all the way down through the Earth's lower mantle?
    • ALT1:... that minerals in Earth's transition zone and lower mantle make up the deep Earth water cycle and have the potential to hold large amounts of water?

Created by Smcminn1234 (talk) at 20:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg large enough, written neutrally, sourced. Age ok. Can't use wikipedia as a source (footnote 1). Also, sources seem to call it "Deep water cycle", not "deep earth water cycle". Also, the sources seem to be less definite about the subject's existence than the article is...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:50, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Shah Faesal

5x expanded by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 15:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC).

Morpeth, Northumberland

Improved to Good Article status by Dreamy Jazz (talk) and SkyGazer 512 (talk). Nominated by Dreamy Jazz (talk) at 12:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Full review will follow later, but I think ALT4 has the best wording, so let's go with that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 12[]

Bruce Dowbiggin

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) and Flibirigit (talk). Nominated by Flibirigit (talk) at 15:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Media coverage of 2019 India–Pakistan standoff

  • QPQ: Doing

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 23:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Bambang Dwi Hartono

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 20:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Kate Gallego

Kate Gallego
Kate Gallego
  • ... that Kate Gallego (pictured) is the youngest and only female mayor of the ten largest cities in the United States? ABQ Journal
  • Reviewed: IOU and I know I'm behind on a few....
  • Comment: She'll be sworn in March 21. YMMV on the hook so please help me write a better one if you can.

Created/expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 02:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Dortan Massacre

Memorial to the victims
Memorial to the victims
  • Comment: I am not sure on how to make a "catchy" hook for a war crime, so I am of course open for suggestions and improvements.

Created by Dead Mary (talk). Self-nominated at 10:38, 15 March 2019 (UTC).

Historical significance

  • ...that historical significance is subjective and open to challenge? Source: "But historical significance is often a subjective decision, something that makes it contestable (open to challenge)." (and [38] the source)
    • ALT1: ...that historical significance defines history books, street names, museum displays, pictures on stamps, bank notes, and television shows? Source: " Ideas about historical significance help to shape how the past is remembered and represented and influence who gets remembered and who gets forgotten and who and what gets included in history books, commemorated on bank notes, in the names of streets and squares, in museum displays, in television programmes, and so on" (and [39] the source)

Created by RTG (talk). Self-nominated at 13:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Leaving aside a review of the article itself, I've corrected some grammar issues with the hooks; struck ALT0 as unsupported by the source ("often" ≠ always in all cases) which itself isn't remotely a qualified WP:RS for a point of that magnitude, however WP:BLUEy; and struck ALT1 as unsupported/ungrammatical/tautological. It isn't "defining" "pictures on stamps" or "museum displays" and, to the extent historical significance shapes others' inclusion in that laundry list, such reshaping is the very essence of the concept of historical significance. The hook essentially says "historical significance is historical significance", which fails the "be interesting" criterion for DYK. — LlywelynII 19:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
ALT3 seems bland but unobjectionable. ALT4 is a quote quoted by your source; Febvre's original work should be found and cited and it's just his opinion, not a fact. ALT5 isn't cited in the article. — LlywelynII 20:22, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • To check through the rest of the list, though, the article is timely but currently consists of an overlong intro from one source (WP:LEADCITE; WP:ONESOURCE) and three lists without commentary (MOS:LEADREL; WP:LISTDD); all three lists are theoretical and sourced to historians unimportant enough that they lack existing biography articles (WP:UNDUE, WP:FRINGE) rather than any discussion about the actual criteria used by major past or present historians; it's barely long enough (1520ish elig. chars.) but full of grammatical mistakes and needs a rebuild (e.g., the WP:LEADSENTENCE vaguely describes the topic instead of defining it) that will change that number; removing the current deadweight would put it under the requirement; Earwig finds no major copyvio, but the lists need an overhaul to make more sense even if they're found to be notable; QPQ done.

    At minimum, ♦ the lead sentence needs to define the topic; ♦ the lead section needs to be an overview of the body of the article, not the body of the article itself; as such, ♦ the running text in the body of the article needs to be (at minimum) 2–3 times longer than the text in the lead; ♦ the citations in the lead need to be moved to the body; ♦ the lists that are currently being used should have some indication as to who these people are and why anyone should care about their opinions on historical significance; ♦ the lists that are currently being used should be rephrased to explain exactly what each point means and how it is different from the other points, ideally with clear examples.

    I've often said that this is DYK, not GA, and that's completely true (a good article would include discussions of changing historiography over time discussing major international historians/schools from Sima Qian to hagiographers to Gibbon to the Marxists) but there are some minimum standards that aren't being met here that really should be. — LlywelynII 20:22, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@LlywelynII: Thanks Llywelyn, I have added a separate short lead and I understand what you are saying about referencing the lists against each other, but these were simply the lists that seem to be used a lot in a relatively superficial search and read up on the topic. I will look into validating the lists a little better but it will be down to online availability. ~ R.T.G 21:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, if you see what I'm saying, then you understand that online availability doesn't actually make these lists NOTABLE or non-FRINGE. There has to be some context that other people actually pay attention to these particular writers or that their ideas represent widespread consensus in the field, established practice among actually noteworthy historians, etc.

If that's really impossible to manage, then we're better off moving this to a sandbox for future work and redirecting to the good general treatment at Historiography or sth. — LlywelynII 21:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
I have expanded the article a little. Historians notoriously do not get the kind of recognition you seem to be trying to demand. I assure you, there is more than copy and paste going on here even if there is no FA yet, so I invite you to the articles talkpage to discuss further relevance of the lists.
I invite you to read historiography for that context, as I have done. This subject is widely published and is not covered on Encyclopedia. I am sorry that you cannot bear start class articles, but that's where articles start. If you are offended by this article or believe it misrepresents sources, is based on unreliable sources or is unbalanced by fringe views, discuss on the talkpage or request deletion. DYK is asking for stub-class articles recently. Well, here's one both of us would have expected to be covered already. I've put it on the history project. Let's get it through the DYK and see if an article comes of it, ~ R.T.G 03:58, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
If you'd like to help, find me a connection that says Lis Cercadillo, Ministry of Education (ESP), various important university postings, is the same author. If she is not, why can I not find the Spanish Lis, referred to all over the place in English, who is? ~ R.T.G 04:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
@LlywelynII:, I invite you now to review the article again and remember, it is a start, and as such is written to encourage participation and interest, not instil authority, so I encourage you to help me improve the rationale of the lists as an important part of the subject rather than simply demand credentials. ~ R.T.G 14:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 13[]

Liaisons: Re-Imagining Sondheim from the Piano

  • ... that the album Liaisons features works by dozens of composers "re-imagining" Stephen Sondheim's music? Source: Really any of them but to pick one: "Midway through the first decade of the 21st century, American pianist Anthony de Mare acted on his lifelong immersion in Sondheim’s work and commissioned a wide net of composers from multiple genres to create their own “re-imaginings” of a favourite Sondheim song for solo piano. By the time the Liaisons project was completed in 2014, 36 composers (31 men and five women; 32 of whom were American-born) had contributed and de Mare’s love affair with Sondheim’s music had borne a bountiful harvest." [40]

Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 18:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Heinz Hoppe

  • ... that Heinz Hoppe performed as a lyric tenor at the Hamburgische Staatsoper, including world premieres, but became popular for operetta recordings and television shows? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 17:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

International Air Navigation Conference

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Worthing Tramocars

A restored Worthing Tramocar
A restored Worthing Tramocar
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2017 Masters (snooker)
  • Comment: April Fool potential! Strictly speaking the first hook is the more accurate, because Bill invented it but only did the actual driving occasionally. Facts are almost all in offline sources, but I have all the source material to hand. Ref [11] is the main one supporting the fact it's a converted dustcart, and the online source (Victoria County History of Sussex; ref [1]) is one of several to mention he specifically designed it with Worthing's elderly population in mind.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:22, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

Mark M. Ravitch

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Consider putting Félicien M. Steichen in hook. Did they introduce staples together? Copyvio ok, new, long enough with plenty room to expand. Hook in article, enough sources and in sources. He is worth an article..well done for finding him. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on March 14[]

Aporometra wilsoni

Aporometra wilsoni
Aporometra wilsoni
  • ... that the crinoid Aporometra wilsoni broods its young in cavities in the feathery pinnules on its arms? Source: " the gonads and marsupia lie on the pinnules"

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC).

Sophie Alexander (footballer)

  • Reviewed: tbd

Created by Teratix (talk). Self-nominated at 01:21, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and fully sourced. Hook is interesting and verified with supplied source. No copyvio issues. Awaiting QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 03:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Given (manga)

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC).

Uma Saren

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that the small Persian town of Arrajan populated by Roman prisoners-of-war of the early 6th century later flourished as a large settlement by the 11th century? Source: "After the Islamic conquest Arraǰān’s development continued. It achieved the peak of its prosperity in the 10th century. ... In general, Arraǰān is depicted as a large and beautiful city." [41]
  • ALT1 ... that the Persian town of Arrajan flourished as a large and beautiful settlement before being destroyed by an earthquake in 1085?
  • Reviewed: Under way...

Created by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 19:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Just waiting for the QPQ to be done. Please note that I have changed the century in the hook and article to "11th", and have added ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Orvar Swenson

  • Reviewed: Lu Xiaopeng
  • Comment: Note that congenital megacolon is synonymous with Hirschsprung's disease.

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing. New enough, copyvio ok. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 23:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi @97198:. Did he do it solely or with Alexander Bill? All else ok.Whispyhistory (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Olivia Jade Giannulli

  • Reviewed: forthcoming / needed

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size (bare minimum but passes), copyvio check, neutrality, hooks, pass. QPQ review needed. But I also have one more concern that would be best answered by a second reviewer. The article is borderline with regards to WP:BLP - most of the content is tabloid-level criticism of the subject. I am unsure if it is due weight to discuss such incidents including the one the hook is citing. And frankly, removing even one sentence from this article could make it not eligible as it will be too short. Not sure if we want this type of content for the front page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Pacific baza

Pacific baza
Pacific baza
  • ... that although the generic name of the Pacific baza (pictured) translates to "bird-killer", it is actually a docile and usually unobtrusive species? Source: [43] p. 55, "Both scientific names are drawn from Latin: Aviceda combines avis (bird) with caedere (to kill) - that is, bird-killer, a misnomer; [44] p. 104, "The Pacific Baza is an unobtrusive and docile hawk, usually only obvious during its vocal aerial displays"
    • ALT1:... that the Pacific baza (pictured) has been rumoured to imitate the calls of tree-frogs when hunting, persuading them to return the call? Source: [45] p. 104, "It is said to find tree-frogs by imitating their calls and so inducing them to call back"

5x expanded by SkyGazer 512 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 15[]

French National-Collectivist Party

National-Collectivist/National Communist emblem
National-Collectivist/National Communist emblem
  • ... that in 1941, the far-right French National-Collectivist Party (emblem pictured) proposed sending its women paramilitaries to fight for Vichy France in Syria? Party appeal, published in L'Ouest-Éclair. See Gallica print
    • ALT1:... that, in 1934, French National Communists (emblem pictured) reportedly tried to arm themselves with automatic rifles purchased in Belgium? Lanneau, p. 181: Il est intéressant de noter que Le Pays libre est diffusé à Liège, capitale du Mouvement wallon et ville où, en 1934, Clémenti avait projeté, d'après la Sûreté française, de se procurer des fusils-mitrailleurs.
  • Reviewed: Lutheran Trinity Church, East Melbourne
  • Comment: Please note that, if the image is to be used, the caption needs to be changed with context: for the original hook, it should be "National-Collectivist emblem"; for ALT1, "National Communist emblem". This is because the party changed names in that interval, and each hook refers to it by its period name. Dahn (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 07:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that the medieval Perso-Arabic legend of al-Nadirah was the source of Hans Andersen's fairy tale "The Princess and the Pea"? Source: "The widespread popular legend about the Hatrene princess Nażira and her betrayal of the city for love is still lives on in the modern fairy tale (by the Danish author Hans Christian Andersen) “the princess and the pea”" [46]
  • Reviewed: coming soon

Created by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 20:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC).

Time Traveler (roller coaster)

  • Reviewed: Mary Stuart Fisher Pending (I've had one DYK published (though I know the exemption for QPQ is 5), I wish to partake in a review and will post soon).

Improved to Good Article status by Adog (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 16[]

Coccothrinax jamaicensis

  • ... that while Cuba and Hispaniola support diverse assemblages of Coccothrinax species, Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only member of the genus found in Jamaica? Source: "With so many species of Coccothrinax known from Cuba and Hispaniola, it is curious that only a single species occurs in Jamaica." (Read, Robert W. (1966). "Coccothrinax jamaicensis. The Jamaican Silver Thatch". Principes. 10: 133–141)

5x expanded by Guettarda (talk). Self-nominated at 11:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 17[]

Felipe Reinoso

Created/expanded by Vycl1994 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

Ario Pardee

  • ... that Ario Pardee's gift of $20,000 in 1864 to Lafayette College was the largest sum ever given to an educational institution in Pennsylvania at the time?

Improved to Good Article status by Semmendinger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: The QPQ is incomplete. However, since the nominator has less than 5 DYK credits, a QPQ is not necessary for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Hillary and Clinton

  • ... that Hillary and Clinton is the first Broadway play to feature Hillary Clinton as a lead character? Source: "The play will be the first with Mrs. Clinton as a protagonist to reach Broadway" ([47])
    • ALT1:... that Hillary and Clinton is "a play about the Clintons that's not a play about the Clintons"? Source: "That's how he noticed he was writing 'a play about the Clintons that's not a play about the Clintons' " ([48])
    • ALT2:... that in the pre-Broadway productions of Hillary and Clinton, the role of Hillary Clinton was played by African-American women? Source: "In each of those productions, as in the one in Chicago, "Hillary" was played by an African-American woman." ([49])

Created by Bennv3771 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Alex Romero (choreographer)

Leroy Daniels wiith Fred Astaire
Leroy Daniels wiith Fred Astaire

Created by Coretheapple (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation Act

Created by Reywas92 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC).

Chafin v. Chafin

  • Reviewed: Not needed, this will be my 5th DYK
  • Comment: I'd like to run this on April 1st, if possible.

Moved to mainspace by DannyS712 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC).

  • How is this an April Fools? EEng 05:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    @EEng: Because divorce proceedings are usually at family court, and the Supreme Court almost never gets involved. From Reuters: "It is not often the high court steps into a child custody battle, but the case turns on an international treaty, joined by more than 80 countries, that protects children from being abducted to other countries." --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    Perhaps I'm in an uncharitable mood, but essentially all cases begin in humble district courts, family courts, municipal courts, probate courts, and so on. Wills rarely end up at the Supreme Court, but Howard Hughes' did, and so what? Plessy was about a train ticket. I'm not at all surprised that few divorce proceedings get to the Supreme Court, but I'm sorry, it's not a laugh-getter, certainly not with the hook proposed. And even if there's something amusing about it, it certainly doesn't have the misleading quality that defines an AFD hook. EEng 05:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    @EEng: then I have a 3-part response. 1 - if you (or someone else) does the review, can you review the article while I work on a funny alt hook? 2 - do you have any funnier suggestions? And 3 - just to confirm, AFD means April fools Day, not WP:AFD, right? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    I really tried, but I don't see anything remotely AFD (April Fools Day)-worthy in the article. I suggest you run it as a regular DYK, though honestly I don't know what the hook would be. "Something something retained jurisdiction something habitual residence something something not mooted" doesn't really grab the reader. EEng 14:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • This hook is misleading because the Chafin case was not the only, or even the first, case involving a divorce to go to the Supreme Court. See, e.g., Coe v. Coe, 334 U.S. 378 (1948). If this passes, it needs an accurate hook. Neutralitytalk 19:44, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Muntaser Ibrahim

Muntaser Ibrahim at a 2014 meeting of The World Academy of Sciences
Muntaser Ibrahim at a 2014 meeting of The World Academy of Sciences
  • ...that prominent Sudanese geneticist Muntaser Ibrahim (pictured) was imprisoned in February 2019 after participating in peaceful political protests, and his family does not know where he is being held? Source: "A leading Sudanese geneticist has been imprisoned for speaking out against the country’s repressive regime. Muntaser Ibrahim, who heads the University of Khartoum’s Institute of Endemic Diseases, was arrested on 21 February in Khartoum and has been detained ever since. His friends and family do not know his location." https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/03/renowned-sudanese-geneticist-behind-bars-opposing-regime
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Philepitta (talk). Self-nominated at 04:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 18[]

Kamchatka meteor

Timelapse of the Kamchatka meteor's smoke trail by the JMA's Himawari 8
Timelapse of the Kamchatka meteor's smoke trail by the JMA's Himawari 8

Created by Exoplanetaryscience (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Inner core super-rotation

Created by Jsobe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

David Bowles (chief executive)

Created by Sionk (talk). Self-nominated at 23:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Lithosphere–asthenosphere boundary

LAB depth based upon different definitions.
LAB depth based upon different definitions.

5x expanded by Arblanchette (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Arblanchette, this appears to be an excellent article, but it unfortunately is not a 5x expansion. The article prior to your revisions was 4022 prose characters. The current edit has 6650 prose characters, which is about 1.65x. With DYK, we count what was in the article before, even if sections of the original prose are ultimately deleted: only material that was deleted because it violated copyright is not included in the "before" count. You would need to add another 13,460 prose characters to reach 5x, which seems extremely impractical.
If you wish this to qualify for DYK, your best chance is for the article to become a Good Article; it would need to be meet the GA criteria and be submitted for a GA review (instructions at WP:GANI. (It may be a while: articles can wait for months before they are reviewed.)
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I hope you'll try DYK again in the future. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


  • ... that the old, north German card game of Fipsen is played in Thedinghausen for currant buns called Hedewigs?
    Source: "Fipsen heißt das alte Kartenspiel, bei dem um die leckeren Hedewigs (Rosinenbrötchen) gespielt wird" at Fipsen, ein ganz besonderes Kartenspiel and "Jedes Jahr, immer am Donnerstag vor Fastnacht treffen sich die Mitglieder der Bürger-Bauernkör in Thedinghausen. Neben Gesprächen stehen dann Fipsen und Hedewigs im Mittelpunkt." at Die Erinnerung lebt
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

Chinese alligator

Chinese alligator
Chinese alligator

Improved to Good Article status by SkyGazer 512 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:28, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 19[]

Barry Sage

  • ... that Barry Sage has earned $22,000 for clapping his hands in 1981? In La Hora, he estimates he made 15 million Chilean pesos in royalties from Start Me Up; this is that figure with a currency conversion.

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 05:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Jeff Berry (mixologist)

  • ... that Jeff "Beachbum" Berry has been described as a "cocktail archeologist"? "To describe Berry's work in researching and reconstructing lost cocktail recipes, M. Carrie Allan of The Washington Post called him a "cocktail archeologist"." [53]
    • ALT1:... that Jeff "Beachbum" Berry has been described as "the Indiana Jones of tiki drinks"? "Wayne Curtis, historian and author of And a Bottle of Rum: A History of the New World in Ten Cocktails, called him "the Indiana Jones of tiki drinks." [54]

Created/expanded by MelanieN (talk). Self-nominated at 20:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

Zond 5

  • ... that two Russian tortoises on Zond 5 were among the first Earthlings to fly around the Moon and return safely to Earth?

Improved to Good Article status by Kees08 (talk). Nominated by (talk) at 05:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

Pema Dhondup

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 21:35, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on March 20[]

2019 Tour Championship

  • ... that in the first round match of the 2019 Tour Championship, the match between Neil Robertson and Mark Selby played over 17 frames was decided by the final ball? [55] "With colours and reds glued to the cushion, the final frame lasted one hour and five minutes, coming down to the very last ball."
  • Reviewed: TBA

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 22:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Coach's Corner

Moved to mainspace by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Ram Singh Malam

  • ... that 18th century Indian navigator Ram Singh Malam reached Holland when he was rescued by a Dutch ship from a shipwrecking? Source: Sastri, K. A. Nilakanta (1959). "Ram Singh Malam of Mandvi". Journal of the Assam Research Society. Kamarupa Anusandhan Samiti (The Assam Research Society). XIII: 19–21.
  • Reviewed: pending
  • Comment: Please correct grammar in the hook

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 06:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing...my turn @Nizil Shah:..great story, before going further... he created the masterpiece pleasure room. I feel a better hook there. Can you expand some information on that? Whispyhistory (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for a review. I will expand information on Aina Mahal pleasure room. I will do it soon and also propose ALTs. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 21[]

Special occasion holding area[]

The holding area has moved to its new location at the bottom of the Approved page. Please only place approved templates there; do not place them below.

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